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    Default How do you find out what "NA" by your entry means?

    I am a first timer and I think I followed all the parameters for entry to the letter, but i am seeing an "NA" next to my entry. I assume I was disqualified, but not sure why. I'd like to ensure I correct whatever mistake I made, so this does not happen in the future. How can i find out where my error was? Any advise is greatly appreciated!! Lynn Andrews and "The Dark Passage." p.s. any critiques of my photo are absolutely welcome too, regardless of how brutal!! TKS

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    Default Re: How do you find out what "NA" by your entry means?

    Where is this NA to which you are referring? Can you supply more information so someone may be able to help you? The only place that I know of where the letters NA are used is at the International Photographic Competition (IPC) where it stands for Not Accepted. That would not be used at a District judging since they use numerical scores at Districts.
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    Rick - there were about 35 images with NA in the score column in the Western District results. Lynn's was one of them.
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    Hmmm.... I pulled up the results for western District and I see what you're talking about. The NA may mean that the image was disqualified.

    There are only a few things I can think of that can get an entry disqualified...

    Two or more images of the same subject
    An image that has a studio logo or the maker's name visible anywhere on the front
    A file that is too large or too small

    In addition - for prints...
    Prints mounted on metal or plexiglas
    Prints having materials on the front or back that could cause damage to other prints.
    Print too large - over 480 square inches or longer than 24" on the longest side
    Image too small - under 80 square inches

    Do any of your images have any of these issues???
    Also - Lynn, we have no way of seeing your images from the Western District judging. If you want a critique, post them here.
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    It also could and likely means that it scored below exhibition standards. 69 or lower.
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    Default Re: How do you find out what "NA" by your entry means?

    Jeff, you're right.

    I originally just glanced at the Western District report and saw the NA - I didn't go through it and look at the reported scores. I just went back and looked at the report, and the lowest recorded numerical score on the report is a 70 - so that may be what it means - they may be using NA for scores below 70.

    Lynn, post your images and we'll critique them for you - or if you don't want to post them here, you can send them to me via email.
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    Thanks,I will post the image as soon as I get home. Thanks everyone for the input! Guess I have a lot of work and studying to do. Lynn

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    TheDarkPassage2.jpg The question of whether it was entered in more that one category or not mounted properly do not apply as it was a digital image and only in one category. I understand it must not be a very good photo. Still got lots to learn. Thanks for the heads up everyone.

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    Default Re: How do you find out what "NA" by your entry means?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lynn_Andrews View Post
    TheDarkPassage2.jpg The question of whether it was entered in more that one category or not mounted properly do not apply as it was a digital image and only in one category.
    I think you may have misread - I didn't say entered in more than one category - you can only place it in one category - but if you have two images of the same subject that will get them disqualified - you can only enter one image of any subject so if you had two images of this scene from different angles, then your submission would be disqualified.

    When I first looked at the image, I really didn't find this image to be all that bad, but the longer it sits there the more confusing it becomes. All the bright spots in the image keep taking my attention to the windows and away from the passageway. The vertical lines not being perfectly straight could have held it back a bit. The white spot in the upper left hand corner is very distracting. The windows appear to be blown away, and there are some really dark shadows in there, and the combination may have been enough to keep it down. If the shadows are blocked up and the highlights blown away, the image will not score well. From the small size of this image, it's difficult to see if there is detail in the blacks or if it is blocked up, and I can't tell if there is any pixelation in the file. And the title doesn't help it since the passageway is not really dark with all of those windows...

    This looks to be a very intriguing image and looks like it could have real possibilities... I hope you don't mind my copying and reposting the image here for illustration purposes. If you like, after you see my take on it, I can pull it back down...
    I burned the windows down to make it look darker and more moody so that it agreed with the title and feeling, took out the bright white spot in the upper corner, straightened the verticals, cropped it a bit tighter, flipped it right to left to take advantage of the leading line of the staircase edge so that the eye travels more naturally up the stairwell and towards that slightly brighter area at the top of the image on the right hand side. I added a gray key line (a tone that was picked up from the staircase wall) and an off center black mat. I also toned down the hot spot on the edge of the stairway support and on the middle stair landing. Also, since you are trying for a dark moody feeling, the warm tone is working against you, so I dropped out the color making the image black and white which gives you a colder feeling. I think that it would score much higher if presented like this... I could see this image scoring in the mid 80's with the right title... What do you think???
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    Default Re: How do you find out what "NA" by your entry means?

    Wow, what a difference! You are spot on. Thanks for the great feedback. I will pay much closer attention to the distractions in the future. Again, I appreciate the critique!

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