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11-04-2010, 01:31 PM #1
my local affiliate is having their annual print comp in 2 weeks. I'm trying to gather some images to enter. Of course I waited until the last minute and am going thru client folders to find something. I'm still working on the whole "shooting for competition" thing.
So anyway, here are a few images I'm thinking of entering. I'm really struggling w/titles, so a few do not have any..but I'll take suggestions
So tell me the good, the bad and the ugly. I have my own personal critique and doubt for each one, but I need to know whether these will work for comp or not. Even after going thru some of the 12 elements I have no clue, lol!
11-04-2010, 01:38 PM #2
Re: help w/images
the next two I submitted to the international comp this year. Not sure I'm going enter them or not.
The first one is the only one I didn't get a critique on. What can I do to improve? (I gotta admit, I'm really tired of looking at this one, lol!)
The next one I got a critique on and made the changes that were suggested.
(sharpened the image and cropped in)
11-04-2010, 05:05 PM #3
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The first one, I like the story telling. There are some technical challenges you need to correct. I can see the halo around the man's back and head which tells me the background was burned down. There is also a dark line around the hood. You need to fix both of these issues as it will kill the image. Because the underside of the hood is lit up, it appears the scene is lit from the mechanic's work light. Good, but then I would like to see a fall off on her leg which is still as bright as her face and so draws my eye down there. Her hand on the hood also seems awkward. She is turning her face away from the man, almost like she is torn by indescion but her hand is just laying there, too relaxed for the rest of the pose and with fingers pointed to the camera so they are shortened. Maybe if her hand had been touching his chest it would have been stronger. I don't think that is enough of an issue to reject this image, just that it could have been stronger. As always I asked Holly for a title. She had one immediately but we both agreed it was inappropiate and too suggestive, so we are instead suggesting "Grease Monkeys".
the girl on the steps - looking at this small low res file I am making an asumption that I might not make if I saw an actual print. But I am guessing that you put in the background at the top behind the steps? What makes me think that is it appears out of scale when compared to the steps. Either way if it makes a judge question it, it's not good. The girl is broad lit which will hurt the image. Couple other small challenges to this image are the sliver of bare arm that draws your eye away from her face and also because the crop cuts into the neckline of her top, the neckline is now creating leading lines drawing you out of the image. I would try this again with the subject in a long sleeve top - maybe a cobalt blue - opposite of orange on the color wheel. And try to get the light to hit her from the other side so she is short lit. I know that will be a challenge depending on the understructure of the stairs. - Title "It All Comes Down to Her"
The tree in the fog - not so much feeling this one. This type of image does well when the subject or tree in this case is crisp and sharp, almost etched looking or the opposite, dreamy and almost like a ghost image. This seems to be falling somewhere in between. Then we have two competing subjects, the tree and the shelter. My eye keeps jumping back and forth. If you want to go ahead with this I would take out the shelter and try adding a little Lucius or similar effect, but sometimes you have to weigh the amount of work something will take against what you hope to gain. I am not sure the end result would be worth the effort.
The other two images, what is your local's rule on entering images that have already been to national? I would check on that. (That being said, you CAN rework these images and resubmit them to IPC if you want) Plus if it were me, I would use the local as a chance to try out something new before it went on to my state or district. The two girls, the edge treatment is overwhelming. I understand it's supposed to look burnt but we don't need that to tell us these are two gilrs dressing up like firemen. My rule is is it doesn't help the image it hurts the image, so I would get rid of the edge treatment. Next what draws your eye most in this image, it's the thing that is the biggest contrst which is the red belt. I don't think that's the most important thing in this story but it has the most visual weight so that's where our eye goes. What will be hard to overcome is the blank looks on the girls. There is serious expressions where you can see thoughts in the eys or there are blank stares. I am just not getting any story out of these girls expressions. You said your self you were tired of looking at it. If the expressions were engaging you wouldn't tire of it. You would enjoy looking at it again and again. I think you answered your own question on this image.
The rusty metal girders. This is a print I'd have to see to appreciate. If it really screams when it spind around it has a shot. On this file there seems to be inconsistency in the sky color. I know sky can have different sahdes but in the center it seems to be going aqua and on the right it's definately blue, so adjust that. I think it needs to go deeper. Make the actual image area larger and definately print it on metallic paper. I don't care for green as an accent stroke because the only green is in the top most girders which is not the center of interest. I would probably try the orange shades.
Hope something here is useful. Just remember I am only one opinion and a panel has 5 or 6 judges.
KeithKeith A. Howe
11-04-2010, 05:57 PM #4
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It's been one of those dissapointing & depressing days around here, so I'm really not in the right mindset. I probably should of waited until I was in a better mood before I posted these...
But anyway, here is my response and personal critique. ( I wanted to wait until I heard from someone else before I gave my opinion).
First one-I knew the hand would be an issue. The image was backlit w/a flash, so I guess maybe that is why it may appear burned down. I'll correct it. I'm wondering if any of the other images from this set up might be better though.
The girl on the steps- nope, I didn't drop the background in. The wall behind the steps is covered in ivy, and that is what we are seeing. I knew she was broad lit, but I wasn't sure if it would be bad in this situation. I don't really know if there is any way to get the light from underneath, I believe we tried and it wasn't possible. I guess this is the issue sometimes w/using client images for comp, and selecting them after the fact. I like the concept but knew the clothing choice wasn't great. Not really sure I can get her back in here to do it again, and I don't think I want to try for a different subject.
Eh, I'll just give up on the tree image. For some reason I really liked the bus stop. I just took this yesterday anyway. I know the tree thing is a little over done, but I figured what the hey.
I feel ya on the image of the girls, although I always felt they had really somber expressions. No need to beat a dead horse so I'll just move on.
really struggling w/the storytelling/impact side of this. I just over analyze it so that my normal stuff looks like crap to me. Like I said, it's been a rough day *sigh*
11-04-2010, 10:07 PM #5
11-04-2010, 11:02 PM #6
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I was thinking "Full Service" or "The Works". I'm thinking Keith's might have had something to do with checking the oil.Greg Yager CPP
"Be prepared to lose anything you are not willing to share" - me
11-04-2010, 11:55 PM #7
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Keith, I wanted to thank you for reviewing these for me. I know during comp I don't have the opportunity to explain why you chose to do something, so it is really helpful to have the critique.
I went back to the original raw file of the car and realized that somewhere in my editing is where the burned edges came in. The hand actually angers me that I didn't notice it in the moment! I'll start over on this one.
I struggle w/what t I feel is right for competition. I have images that I like, but we know that really doesn't mean a whole lot. I'm feeling a little inept right now. Maybe I jumped into trying competition before I was really ready for it.
Like I said, I need to come back to this w/a clearer head.
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11-05-2010, 12:20 AM #8Senior Member
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Re: help w/images
i don't think her hand position is that bad, it looks relaxed and not pointed towards the camera.
it's an awesome image . also love that last one too.
11-05-2010, 02:51 AM #9
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