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12-29-2008, 04:21 AM #1
Photographers or graphic artists?
It seems to me that photography has changed into being a graphic photoshop artists job more than what we used to be known as photograhers, anyone agree with that? It seems like I see lots of snapshots made into cool looking images with photoshop, which to me isn't being a real photographer compared to pre digital days. I know PS is a tool that we can use but it seem like it is used more than actual photography skills to create good images.
I just got this facebook message so that's why I was wondering how other people here felt about it. "hey i was wondering if you have a country theme for your senior pics because i like how you take your pictures and how you edit them not to much at all and you cant tell at all and i was wondering what your prices are?"
12-29-2008, 04:48 AM #2
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Just kidding, Tim. Although you'll be surprised to find out that I don't agree with you. I don't think what we do could be considered graphic art at all. We might enhance a photo, but the photo is still the thing. While without doubt some folks are putting a dress on a pig with Photoshop I don't think that colors the entire industry. I believe pretty strongly in giving the best that I can do, and charging accordingly. For me, that means enhancing in Photoshop when appropriate. We do almost no airbrushing to people but we do pop levels and environments to suit. In the film days you had to do the darkroom work, and effective darkroom technique was just as important as the shooting. Now, just because we have more options on the back end I don't think its any less important.
What you should be complaining about isn't Photoshop its digital cameras. If the files straight out of camera looked good enough we wouldn't need PS, right?
What do I know? An un-Shopped image has never left my studio or been seen by anyone but my wife and me, and that'll likely never change.
12-29-2008, 11:31 AM #3
So what was it when a photographer shot a roll of Ektachrome, cross processed it, copied the result several times on a Honeywell Repronar, cross processed each of them, sandwiched them together slightly off register, copied that, sandwiched with another shot, copied that, and finally printed the result?
Salvador Dali both painted and made direct lithographs. Was he a painter or a lithographer?--Elephants can swim...
...and very gracefully.
I do believe
Anything is possible for me.
Kirk Darling, CPP
12-29-2008, 01:19 PM #4
Like that remark..."putting a dress on a pig in photoshop" LOL very funny, sad part..its true!
12-29-2008, 01:50 PM #5econopix
This is the debate of this era. I've had this debate, sometimes arguments with a lot of my peers. The only common answer to this question is that there is no common answer to this question.
It really depends on what you believe to be "photography". You could categorize photography into traditional or modern methods, but what does that really do for anyone in the business? Regardless of how the image is produced, it's Art nonetheless.
The beauty and value of this art will be determined in the eyes of the person who acquires and appreciates it.
From a collector's standpoint, I'd see more value in Jerry Uelsmann's surreal images than someone who created a similar image using a digital camera and Photoshop, because, to me, it takes a near unattainable mastery of the darkroom to create an Uelsmann piece.
Just my thoughts on a great topic!
Last edited by econopix; 12-29-2008 at 02:08 PM.
12-29-2008, 02:25 PM #6
12-29-2008, 02:26 PM #7
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12-29-2008, 02:38 PM #8
12-29-2008, 02:47 PM #9
“The artist is nothing without the gift, but the gift is nothing without work.”
So lets change this....
The artist is nothing, there is no gift..... it's the idiot-proof light recording device combined with a computer program to produce output.Don
M.Photog., Cr., CPP, D.C.Ph.
12-29-2008, 03:31 PM #10
The moment we all start seeing our work as art and not a medium is when the world evolves.Michael Gan,M.Photog.Cr. CPP,
Meritage House of Photography
If your business depends on you, you don't own a business-you have a job. And it's the worst job in the world because you're working for a lunatic... You can't close it when you want to, because if it's closed you don't get paid. You can't leave it when you want to, because if you leave there's nobody there to do the work. You can't sell it when you want to, because who wants to buy a job?http://www.meritageonmain.blogspot.com