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08-05-2005, 06:02 PM #1
I stopped entering print competition ( which is something I would never recommend to anyone else ) after becoming uncomfortable with how dark prints had to be printed for competition lighting. I tried to find out why by asking a number of knowledgeable photographers and was never given an answer. I felt that anything I submitted for competition should be printed the same way that the work I delivered was. In my last year of entering the National I hung three prints. I've always gotten more satisfaction in winning my customer's praises than those of the judges anyway.
08-05-2005, 07:51 PM #2
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Lighting StandardsOriginally Posted by Bama Pro
Many, not all, who submit prints into competition rarly use their competiton prints for display because they want them in larger sizes for promotional porposes. The prints created for competiton are only used for the competiton itself.
Intresting that you wouldn't recomend not entering print competition but competing didn't provide you with enough education to continue. I hope you reconsider.Dennis D. Craft PPA Certified, M.Photog, Cr., F- ASP
08-05-2005, 11:56 PM #3Originally Posted by Dennis Craft
08-06-2005, 01:00 AM #4
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Why enter at all?
It seems that we enter prints to win merits, yet our customers do not buy these images. We settle for "green merits" from our clients. I hung a print this year in International that was so digitally corrected and unlike the original customer's print that I felt deceptive. THis was a family of 33 I met five minutes before I captured the image. All 33 were looking at the camera, relatively pleasant, color-grouped by family and outfit, etc. The fact that I pulled this off merited a score of at least 95. One judge who scored this print at another competition groused about one man's head being above his wife instead of to the side, so the best he would do is give it a 76. He berated the other judges on the panel who felt it should scored higher. I later went to this judge's website to view HIS work and was aghast at the quality and style of family portraits shown (best work?). Another print at this same competition was of a sunset in Venice featuring boats. This was a master print because of the cropping - it was underexposed with a red filter, yet garnered a 95. Why? Because it was by a "master?" Did he/she score high because it was an exotic location?
08-06-2005, 01:01 AM #5
BamaPro ...Interesting comment, particularly in this time ... your clients don't WANT digital? My clients pick me because I do shoot digital .. and can deliver quickly ... and retouch quickly ... and most of them have no clue as to what good photography is. I am a commercial shooter and I turn out the quality level I do because I WANT to, not because my clients demand it. And photography is still photography ... capturing an image by recording the light reflected off a subject. It matters not if you "remember" it on a piece of film or a digital chip ... good photography is still good photography. Shooting digitally allows me more chance to produce a great image ... and I love the fact that I can fix all the problems that I had to accept with film. Digital capture is like rock and roll ... here to stay. Embrace it, accept it and move on. And my comments are not based on my youth. I have been shooting for more than 40 years, I am almost 61 ... and it IS where we are today. I love it! I think you will too once you take the leap.Al Audleman, M.Photog.Cr., CPP, API
08-06-2005, 01:21 AM #6Originally Posted by Gregory Gathright
Now about the fact that your image was highly edited ... fixing all the problems. Ain't it great that we can DO that now rather than having to settle for less than perfect images. As hard as we try, we still find problems with images ... and with 33 people in one image, it is a miracle if you can get a great image in one frame. Digital capture allows us to do it at home later even if we didn't get it when we shot it. That's kewl!
Last edited by Al_Audleman; 08-06-2005 at 01:25 AM.Al Audleman, M.Photog.Cr., CPP, API
08-06-2005, 03:19 PM #7
the journey to the Master of Photography degree is well worth the effort. While you may not agree with the judges evaluations (spelled scores!), being able to compete successfully means that we have learned certain "rules" and have worked within those parameters. You WILL be a better photographer because of it, whether you earn the Master's or not.
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It is not the destination (though it is nice when we receive the merits) It truly is while on the journey that we learn so much. Entering competition forces us to take long hard critical looks at out work. Dissect the good from the bad. Check our composition, our lighting and our technical skills. What a great opportunity to learn.
Judging is subjective. A blend of 6 different personalities, 6 different visions. This scenario is not unlike our business. Each client is different. We please some of our clients but possibly not all. Does that make the client wrong? Not in my opinion, it only speaks to the fact that everyone has different desires, different tastes. I guess what I am trying to say is that you may never please all of the judges all of the time but this too is a lesson you can apply to your business. You probably won't please all of your clients all of the time. Would you throw in the towel because of a few?
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08-06-2005, 04:50 PM #8
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[QUOTE]Originally Posted by Gregory Gathright
08-06-2005, 07:53 PM #9
Good for you Michelle!
In pursuing my Masters, all 13 of my images are all client images, five in loan. I got a lot of flack for doing things "the hard way" - especially during the film days The PEC taught me a valuable lesson:
If you can put as much effort in your finished product for you clients, the same way you put your efforts in your print comp images, your Green Merits will be so much bigger than you currently think is possible!
If you think your green merits are great, consider how much greater potential you have in sales if you "do that extra step". The biggest complements your clients can give you about your work is when they plunk down 2,3, or more thousands of dollars for your work. All other compliments like, "the images you did for me are great! Can I order them later?" are empty promises.
Last edited by Michael_Gan; 08-06-2005 at 10:59 PM.Michael Gan,M.Photog.Cr. CPP,
Meritage House of Photography
If your business depends on you, you don't own a business-you have a job. And it's the worst job in the world because you're working for a lunatic... You can't close it when you want to, because if it's closed you don't get paid. You can't leave it when you want to, because if you leave there's nobody there to do the work. You can't sell it when you want to, because who wants to buy a job?http://www.meritageonmain.blogspot.com
08-07-2005, 12:42 PM #10
Digital Vs. The Real DealOriginally Posted by Al Audleman
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