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09-12-2007, 02:02 PM

09-12-2007, 02:25 PM

Beautiful image David. I'm obviously not a judge, but here is my .02. I would Lighten/soften the foliage because it is competing with the image of the couple as my eyes keep going from the couple to the red in the foliage. The other thing Don Chick taught me is to keep the step mount border very thin. It should compliment the colors but not stand out. I would reduce that to half of what you have.

I really like what you've done though.. you just gave me an idea on a design for my album, so thanks for posting!


09-12-2007, 02:35 PM
Hey David,

As a standalone print, unfortunately not. It's busy, over tilted, and stroked to strong! The image itself lacks impact and is kindda common.

Sorry dude!

PS. Good looking bride though, man where do you guys get them that pretty?

09-12-2007, 02:40 PM
I like the idea for the client, it's a sure green ribbon... Impact.....not a lot. There's a lot of competing elements....probably too many. :cool:

09-12-2007, 02:40 PM
Dave ,
Nice Image
I'd say No . Wedding images are tough to get Merits on unless they have Serious Impact. This image does not have impact, it does not TELL me anything or make me FEEL anything.
It does let me know a cute Couple got married at the Church By The Sea

09-12-2007, 02:59 PM
Hi David;

I agree with everything that has been said. Take the image and turn it upside down. Now squint at it and tell me what draws your eyes ? The front of the railing is close to 255 white ... totally blown out and the brightest area. The background layer competes way too much with the subject layer. The couple is simple reclining against each other and smiling at the camera. They are not positioned, in the overall presenation, on one of the quadrants but rather right of the 3rd and 4th quadrants and in between both.

Compare your presentation with some of the late Rocky Gunn's wedding couples not looking at the camera, engrossed in each other on rocky California Coastline as waves come crashing in. His images screamed Impact and Creativity.

I love your presentation for a client's album. However, if I were judging it, as presented, I'd give it a 76.

09-12-2007, 02:59 PM
Thanks all :)
How bout this one.


09-12-2007, 03:18 PM
Hi David;

The image has possibilities but problems as presented. #1 ... her t-shirt is distracting. #2 The red background draws my eyes too much. #3 It looks like her hand is cut off and pasted in so that part shows twice.

Here is how I see it. I call it Janis Joplin Re-visited. I hope this helps.


09-12-2007, 03:40 PM
Break another little piece of my heart now D. Craig!

Thanks for the help, I like your take on it. :)

How bout this one? I'm thinking the title would be "Nice Catch".


09-12-2007, 04:00 PM
The issue for me with all of these images is the lighting. On the church by the sea, you are using basic in the shade type stuff with a little fill flash. One of the reason's it does not have impact is due to it's non directional lighting.

On the college campus, it is the same thing. The light is not complimentary to the subjects, nor does it make them stand out at all. The kids playing ball are actually distracting. Sorry my man!!

09-12-2007, 04:30 PM
Oh well....three strikes I'm out. Thanks for the help gang. :)

09-12-2007, 04:39 PM
Hi David;

I agree with what Jeff said somewhat. You can make improvements that would help a lot. Here is how I see it ... flipped, cropped quite a bit, a deep grey rather than a black background layer, improved contrast on faces, the sidewalks taken out except for the leading line one to them, & the background blurred. I hope this helps.


09-12-2007, 04:43 PM
I can see what your going for there D. Craig. Might be worth some playing around. Thanks! :cool:

09-12-2007, 05:04 PM
I Love the title Nice Catch. Unfortunately I agree with the others this is not going to merit. Lighting , Like Jeff said is not adding any impact to these images. I did a very quick change to your image to work with the title. I would like to see you try this idea. I felt the background, while having great lines, is too busy for the image. The bride could have been turned a bit more to slenderize her a bit (turn her legs and hips straight toward him or even a little past him, then twist her at the waist back toward camera a little. Have her put all her weight on the back leg and bend the forward knee, this adds curves to the body and drops the shoulders toward camera). We need a backlight on the couple or a kicker angling in to light the grooms face a little. I would use a flash on remote for the backlight option and If possible I would use a reflector for the kicker option if at all possible. JM personal preferences. Use a wide aperture and longer lens to blur the background.
I just saw D Craigs and he's on the same track as I started out. If you are to flip a bride and groom, remove the boot... I forgot to do it here but I was hurrying.
Good Luck Keith

09-12-2007, 05:15 PM
Thanks Keith
All great points and I'll keep them in mind when trying this in the future. I actually get to "re-do" a image next spring. I'll be working in a location that I used in comp a couple years ago. The print scored 80 but got thumbs downed in the review because it was too stiff and posed (imagine that). Anyway, I'll be back there in June and I'm going to redo the composition with a looser approach so hopefully I can get back to this spot someday and try your suggestions.

09-12-2007, 06:00 PM
Sorry my man!!

Sooo much easier to take it sitting alone in front of your monitor rather than in a room full of your peers at a judging.:D :D
Been there, done that.

09-13-2007, 03:16 PM
Down hill from here.


09-13-2007, 04:12 PM
Hi David;

That is a fun pose. My first thought was this. It should be about the Bride and Groom but the one bridesmaid is drawing all of the attention. Most are all looking at the camera except that the bride is looking at the showoff Bridesmaid. Since she is the center of attention ... how is the sharpness ? Is that bridesmaid sharp ?

What would have been great ... along the lines of the "Trash The Dress" theme you could have captured the entire wedding party rolling down the hill. :D

I'm anxious to see what others say.

09-13-2007, 04:49 PM
Hi David;

Here is a different approach that occured to me. I made the showoff bridesmaid the center of attention and called it that. Maybe it will spark some ideas for you.


09-13-2007, 05:10 PM
Thats pretty cool D. Craig.
Thaks for the help. Maybe the title should be "Look at ME"! She is sharp.

09-13-2007, 05:19 PM
Always a bridesmaid, never a bride!

09-13-2007, 05:31 PM
Always a bridesmaid, never a bride!

Now that's funny! :cool:

10-17-2007, 04:00 PM
The Village Smithy....yes.....no.....maybe?


10-17-2007, 07:28 PM
Tough call, but a neat image...

I think you'll have a tough time getting to merit... but if determined to enter this one..

Crop below the button in the ribbon. Darken the background. Add a tiny catch light to the eyes and most of all... pray for the right panel!!

These changes help bring the center of interest to the mans face rather than the "other stuff".


10-17-2007, 08:08 PM
Thanks Don
I thought about just cropping out everything but the face and making it a vertical. Might try that. :)

10-17-2007, 09:22 PM
David! You're getting there. Keep at it. You're starting to be in a stage where I was at for a long time: 79itis

It's a short term disease that slowly goes away with time. You're getting close to getting it over the top.

10-17-2007, 09:41 PM
Thanks Michael
A little encouragement goes a long way. :)

10-18-2007, 02:15 AM
David Your getting there. I took Don's suggestion a bit farther. Do you have more on the file to the left and under his chin? I do not recomend my method for this purpose I did it just to demonstrate what I am suggesting.

Make it a long slender print with plenty of space for him to look into. Add just a bit more neck and keep it and the shaddow side of his face darker to add to the directional lighting. I am not fond of the title Village Smithy as I do not see anything that implies this occupation in the image. Maybe something about a colonist or minuteman... Washington's scout... I am not the good one at titles,, that's Hollys Job. Keith


10-18-2007, 11:51 AM
Thanks Keith
I see where your going! I have more under the chin but not to the left. Thanks for the help! :)


At this point I think I'll make a test print. Thank you all so much for your encouragement. It means a lot to me. How about Living in the Past for a title?