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AmyAnderson
06-08-2007, 03:13 AM
16"x20" print size, 1/8" to 3/8" thick mounting, laminate allowed... got it!

But my lab has mentioned that they should print my digital files much darker than they would normally for my clients. Is this so? Why? And how much darker should they be printing them?

Are there any other details I need to talk over with my lab?

THANKS!
Amy

Anne_LeBouton
06-08-2007, 03:23 AM
If your lab is experienced with doing competition prints, they should have competition lights they can use to judge how much darker is dark enough so they look good under the lights. This is one of those things we always leave up to our lab since the co-owner is one of the best competition print printers we know. We trust his judgement on this. He's printed literally thousands of competition prints over the years.

Dave_Prouty
06-08-2007, 03:28 AM
Your lab should know how dark to print them. And yes they do need to be darker than normal. The reason for this is due to the brightness of the lights at the judging. I am not sure of the candlepower and distance, but I'm sure it is in print somewhere. Some of the others prpbably have that information if you need it. It helps to have this info if you want to setup your own judging environment to evaluate your prints before sending them in to competition. I know others are doing just that. A competition print is so dark sometimes, you would probably throw it away before letting it go out the door. When viewed under judges' lighting, it looks "normal".

Dave_Cisco
06-08-2007, 04:29 AM
f16, 1 second at ASA 100:D :D :D

Stacey_West
06-08-2007, 04:47 AM
The reason for this is due to the brightness of the lights at the judging. I am not sure of the candlepower and distance, but I'm sure it is in print somewhere.
I found this link on Google - http://www.ppa.com/files/public/JuryChairManual05.pdf - which is a "Jury Chairman Manual". It states it was revised in 2005. This long and quite interesting document says that prints are lit to f16 @ 1 second @ ISO 100.


A competition print is so dark sometimes, you would probably throw it away before letting it go out the door.
The first time I opened my competition prints from my lab I was shocked at how dark they were. They looked terrible...

When prints are hung after judging for public viewing sometimes the room lights are not very bright - certainly not as bright as the judging lights. When this is the case it is hard to get a good look at the prints since they are printed so dark. I've actually taken a small flashlight with me to shine on the darker images so I can see the detail in them!

Debra_Warner
06-08-2007, 01:19 PM
16"x20" print size, 1/8" to 3/8" thick mounting, laminate allowed... got it!

But my lab has mentioned that they should print my digital files much darker than they would normally for my clients. Is this so? Why? And how much darker should they be printing them?

Are there any other details I need to talk over with my lab?

THANKS!
Amy


I used White House for my first comp and made the mistake of not "color correcting" to allowing for the blackest of black on my step mount. Needless to say it hurt my score. And the judges kept mentioning throughout the lectures how many prints didn't score well because of print quality.

Definately make sure your blacks are BLACK!! :o)

my .02
Debi

Cheri_MacCallum
06-08-2007, 02:28 PM
Also make sure you have a glossy finish. If you have a matte finish, the print will be soooooo flat under the lights.

Anne_LeBouton
06-08-2007, 07:21 PM
I used White House for my first comp and made the mistake of not "color correcting" to allowing for the blackest of black on my step mount. Needless to say it hurt my score. And the judges kept mentioning throughout the lectures how many prints didn't score well because of print quality.

Definately make sure your blacks are BLACK!! :o)

my .02
Debi

This is why we have always sent our competition prints to someone who specializes in printing them. They have allot more experience than we do in getting the printing just right and they have the lights right there to inspect them under. Plus our printer is a judge and jury foreman so he know what to look at and can recommend changes if we ask him to.

Lee_Pargmann
07-10-2007, 03:29 AM
Hi Anne, I'm a newbie on here and know nothing about competition prints. I've been trying to find the info, but it is hard to find. Is there anyway you could tell me who your lab is? Thank you.

Tracy_McGee
07-10-2007, 03:59 AM
This is why we have always sent our competition prints to someone who specializes in printing themI would love to know who you use, if you don't mind sharing. :)

Auralee_Dallas
07-10-2007, 04:53 AM
H&H, Bay Photo Lab, Millers--they all make competition prints for professional photographers. I'm sure there are many more, but those are the ones me and my friends use.
Now, it is helpful to know what to expect from a competition print, what the judges look for, and how to prepare your image for printing. Exposure, color, sharp where it should be, etc.