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05-24-2007, 01:47 PM
I hope I'm not stepping out of bounds by reposting these images in a new thread... I originally posted in an older thread and I think the images are being missed for critique.

Would love to think that I am making some progress in editing for print competition! Here are several which I just recently finished. Your suggestions and comments are greatly appreciated? Thank you!!





05-24-2007, 08:37 PM
Hi Tripp;

I'll get to the others but ... I love the first image. Your positioning of the subject layer wasn't ideal and it lacked contrast and saturation of the grey tones. I would have liked seeing either a bouquet in her hands or maybe her hands flaring out the gown. As it is, one is hidden and only a skinny vertical part of the other shows.

Here is how I envision it being presented. I'll take a closer look at the others later.


05-24-2007, 10:10 PM
Yes sir, I like that... the impact is much greater...I will work on that! I've read the great explanations on this forum concerning placement of the image within the "presentation area" but I'm still grappling with the notion of what works. I like where you have placed the image in the presentation area- would you mind explaining the thought behind it? Thank you for all of your time and help!!

05-24-2007, 11:30 PM
Hi Tripp;

I used the Bakker Saddle for placing the subject layer instead of the rule of thirds simply because it worked better. The Bakker Saddle has two lines, a long and a short. You place the long line corner to corner. Then you place the short line with one end at the outside corner of the presentation and put it at a 90ยบ angle so the other end reaches the long line. The two lines form a "saddle" which cradles the subject.

05-24-2007, 11:38 PM

First of all let me state I am no expert but here goes...

Of these four images my favorite is the first one. You put her in an interesting location; I think the arches help to frame her and kind of mimic the outline of her dress. I like the image's position on the board in D. Craig's post but I wondered what it would look like in a near full bleed so I gave it try. I don't know if this is better or not; the way I have done it may make everything too static or too centered. The print may very well get dinged for the hand position issues D. Craig mentions. Will it merit? I couldn't say but I can say I like it.


I think the baby is cute. Her expression is nice, she looks like she is having fun. I think the outfit is pretty busy though and I wonder if it has enough impact to score well. I'm not exactly a great baby photographer so my thoughts on this print are certainly not anything to count on.

In the the third image, of the young lady, the subject is framed by the brick wall on the left and the diagonal architecture on the wall behind her on our right. I think the print will have trouble in competition though because it appears to be flatly lit and she is fairly straight on to the camera. The shadow on the brick wall accentuates just how bright the bright areas are. They distract from her face. I think the print could be better if you could darken the entire wall to match the exposure of the shadowed area. I like the light hitting the top of her head...

The second bride has pretty light on the mask of her face. On my monitor it looks like you held good shadow and highlight detail on her. You photographed her from a high angle which I think is cool and creative. I think the print will be hurt on a couple of points though. She is fairly straight on to the camera and the outline of her nose is very, very close to cutting across the profile of her right cheek; maybe her head could have been turned just a fraction more to her left or you could have moved slightly to your left to alleviate this. Her right arm is cropped fairly close to her wrist which isn't the ideal. I wondered if a little tighter crop might help with the wrist situation and even allow the bouquet to serve as a base - so I gave it a try. Is it better? I don't know. Anyway I think this is a pretty print and I'll bet she loved it.


Good luck in competition and again please take these comments for what they're worth and consider the source - I've never merited a portrait. Last year I did OK with the prints I submitted but none were portraits. This year I've decided to go with four images from my senior sessions and am not very confident of my chances but I'm still going to give it a try. There are many, many more qualified people on here than me but I hoped I could be of some help. I wish you well.

05-25-2007, 12:01 AM
Hi Tripp;

I'm going to type fast. I have child portrait orders being placed in a few minutes.

I found the baby to be extremely cute. The lighting was flat and the color was suspect. "Kids Need Room to Grow" ... it was too close.

On my version I upped contrast, changed the color and made her much smaller in the presentation. I painted out a lot in Photoshop letting it fade to white.


05-25-2007, 01:57 AM
D. Craig and Stacey- I have taken so much away from your observations and tools. I value everything that you have both shared with me and want to again thank you for your help. It's a great day when you can learn this much!

05-25-2007, 04:04 AM
Image 1 is nice of bride.