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Marc_Benjamin
02-12-2007, 04:01 AM
http://www.kickstep.com/marcssamples/07printcomp/BeginnersPointe_matted.jpg
Beginners Pointe

I'm just looking for a quick 80/thumbs up... Any views?

Keith_A_Howe
02-12-2007, 02:18 PM
Marc, Nice image. Can you soften the cord in her neck and tone down the kicker on the back of her neck? Its kinda hard to tell here, as it is I think I'm down but it is close. I'm also questioning placement of the image. As it is the image is on the right third line but her face is in the center top to bottom.
Keith

Keith_A_Howe
02-12-2007, 02:29 PM
Marc I am going to point out a few things here for others to take note of.
First is the placement of her head against the piller sets her face off with out any lines intersecting the head.
Next is the lighting, note the main light is coming into the plane of her face giving deminsion to her. Think what it would look like if the main lighting was coming from or near to camera (flat lighting). That would make her heavier and more boreing to look at. Look at the kicker light or reflector that is adding detail to the back of her hair and neck, with out it we would lose detail in the hair and in some cases lose seperation from the background in this area. Sorry for turning this into a lecture on lighting but I thought some of the newer members may not understand the difference.
Keith

JohnHeckler
02-12-2007, 03:39 PM
Hi Marc,

I really like this image. I do wonder about the placement in the matte as well and I think I see some cloning around and right above the little girl's head on the column? My eyes keep tracking to that for some reason.

Dave_Cisco
02-12-2007, 03:57 PM
Hi Marc,

I really like this image. I do wonder about the placement in the matte as well and I think I see some cloning around and right above the little girl's head on the column? My eyes keep tracking to that for some reason.

Good eyes:)
...the old Ctl-alt-J, move, and erase.:D

To add something to the discussion, I believe all the technical bases are covered, but I don't know if this particular subject is strong enough to carry the image.

Marc_Benjamin
02-12-2007, 04:08 PM
John,

Ahhh, that was just sloppy burning and for some reason it got very noticable on the down rez! I'll clean it up for the final.

Dave,

Is that it? I want more out of you!

Keith,

Should I go smaller to force her head on the bottom right point or bigger to force it on the upper right? I kindda want to go smaller since 1.The image might not hold up that big 2. Isnt it more natural if kids had room to grow?

Dave_Cisco
02-12-2007, 04:41 PM
John,

Ahhh, that was just sloppy burning and for some reason it got very noticable on the down rez! I'll clean it up for the final.

Dave,

Is that it? I want more out of you!

Keith,

Should I go smaller to force her head on the bottom right point or bigger to force it on the upper right? I kindda want to go smaller since 1.The image might not hold up that big 2. Isnt it more natural if kids had room to grow?

It will probably get more powerful as you take her down in size...assuming, of course, that you have the extra background on the file.

JohnHeckler
02-12-2007, 04:45 PM
It will probably get more powerful as you take her down in size...assuming, of course, that you have the extra background on the file.

I was thinking that as well ... especially if you have more foreground as it almost looks like she has some reflection in the floor. That would place her head more in the upper third as well ... all of which depends on what you have to work with in the original frame of course.

Holly_Howe
02-12-2007, 04:56 PM
I'd like to see her smaller but the columns extended all the way to the top of the board - long vertical slimline in other words.
Holly

Marc_Benjamin
02-12-2007, 07:19 PM
I'd like to see her smaller but the columns extended all the way to the top of the board - long vertical slimline in other words.
Holly

Edge to edge slim jim?

Holly_Howe
02-12-2007, 07:21 PM
That's what I am thinking - makes her look like a tiny ballerina in a great big dance studio. Just a thought.
Holly

Keith_A_Howe
02-12-2007, 07:48 PM
I agree with Holly if you have the file for it. I played around with it and found the old standby kinda safe feeling and did not like it as well so I kept my mouth shut (I know its hard to believe but I can). I do like the sound of making her smaller and the room extend to the top if possible. This may help minimize the feeling of burning to the collum in front of her body (looks uneven to me or cloned).
Keith

Keith_A_Howe
02-13-2007, 04:08 AM
I agree with Holly if you have the file for it. I played around with it and found the old standby kinda safe feeling and did not like it as well


Holly told me this was not clear. What I tried was cloning in to the left of the image to fill in space around the girl. That's what I didn't like. The idea of a slim line vertical - I do like.

Keith

Lori_Clapp
02-13-2007, 04:17 AM
Keith and Holly - I guess it's true, the longer you are married, the more your avatars start to look alike....that's how the saying goes isn't it?

Lori_Clapp
02-13-2007, 04:17 AM
Keith! You disappeared!

Keith_A_Howe
02-13-2007, 04:27 AM
I was trying to change my avatar. I clicked on the file I thought was my old one and found out it was Holly's so I deleted it right away. Leave it to Lori to catch that in the 30 seconds it was up!
Keith

Lori_Clapp
02-13-2007, 04:34 AM
Hey - I've got to be good at something!