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Lori_Clapp
01-17-2007, 03:57 AM
I think I may have posted this awhile ago, like a year ago, but only for critique. (It may have been on a different forum). Anyway, now I would like to know if it would be something I could enter in competition?

Thanks!

PS, I will have to look for the original - I did a lot to it. The car was purple.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g6/amitphotos/my30crop.jpg

D._Craig_Flory
01-17-2007, 02:07 PM
Hi Lori;

I wasn't flirting ... I meant the image is gorgeous. *S* I am sure it would be incredible on metalic paper. The only thing I'm not sure of is the size of the image layer and the border. I'll come back again later and stare at it some more. Definitely enter it ...

Lori_Clapp
01-17-2007, 03:14 PM
Hi Lori;

I wasn't flirting ... I meant the image is gorgeous.

Thanks for clarifying - I was starting to worry about your eyesight!!

I am going to find the original today - I wasn't sure about the crop and mat either. Thanks!

D._Craig_Flory
01-17-2007, 03:49 PM
Hi Lori;

I quickly did a version of your image and hope it points out some possibilities.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i93/DC47/my30cropEnhanced.jpg

Robin_Arkenberg
01-17-2007, 04:13 PM
Hi Lori,

I love it too. The only thing that really is bothering me is the grass at the bottom.

Robin

Lori_Clapp
01-17-2007, 04:35 PM
Craig - Thanks - I like what you did!

Robin, what would you suggest I do with the grass? (put it in my pipe and smoke it? haha, just kidding!)

Speaking of kidding - where has Ron Jackson been??

Robin_Arkenberg
01-17-2007, 04:39 PM
Hi Lori,

Well, after looking at the image for a while longer, maybe you could cut the grass. Ha ha. No, really I believe it is the difference in color between the gold and brown tones and then seeing the green. Can you make the grass gold?

Robin

Lori_Clapp
01-17-2007, 04:42 PM
Hi Lori,

Well, after looking at the image for a while longer, maybe you could cut the grass. Ha ha. No, really I believe it is the difference in color between the gold and brown tones and then seeing the green. Can you make the grass gold?

Robin

I'll have to see what I can do. I got the car gold by selecting the purple and adjusting the hue/sat. Not sure what I can do with the grass, I'll mess with it. Thanks for the suggestion.

Auralee_Dallas
01-17-2007, 04:45 PM
Hi Lori,
I love this image! I love these old cars too. I also like what has been done with it. Is this the entire image or did you crop it?

D._Craig_Flory
01-17-2007, 04:46 PM
Hi Lori,

Well, after looking at the image for a while longer, maybe you could cut the grass. Ha ha. No, really I believe it is the difference in color between the gold and brown tones and then seeing the green. Can you make the grass gold?

Robin

Hi Robin; Are your comments on her original presemtation ... or on my version ? I thought I addressed the grass ok. I agree if the grass were a tone of gold it would be even better.

Robin_Arkenberg
01-17-2007, 05:33 PM
Hi Craig,

I was still addressing her original image at the beginning of this thread. I like what you did in cropping and eliminating the other car, but I can still see green in the grass.

Robin

D._Craig_Flory
01-17-2007, 05:59 PM
Hi Craig,

I was still addressing her original image at the beginning of this thread. I like what you did in cropping and eliminating the other car, but I can still see green in the grass.

Robin

Ok Robin; Is this more what you had in mind ?



http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i93/DC47/my30cropEnhancedGrassDeGreened.jpg

Linda_Gregory
01-17-2007, 06:48 PM
To change the color of the grass, choose the brush tool and put it on 'color' at the bottom of the drop down pallet. Start with maybe 30% opacity ( more or less as you get going and find what looks right), hold down the alt key to get the eyedrop tool to select a color you want from the car and then go over the grass with that.

Lori, this is a great image! Can't wait to see the end result!

Lori_Clapp
01-17-2007, 06:54 PM
Thanks for all the help everyone - Linda, I will try it!

Now....how about a title? I was thinking "Aged to Perfection" , but I was also thinking that's kind of stupid...hee hee. I really have no idea for a title!

Linda_Gregory
01-17-2007, 07:11 PM
"From Ford's Golden Years"

"Golden Oldie"

"Memories Make Everything Golden"

D._Craig_Flory
01-17-2007, 07:13 PM
Hi Lori;

A simple title could be "A Classic". I like your title idea also.

Lori_Clapp
01-17-2007, 09:02 PM
Okay, here's the original, not sure why I'm posting it - there's not a whole lot I can change about the crop!

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g6/amitphotos/org_7406.jpg

Lori_Clapp
01-17-2007, 09:27 PM
one more version - it's a darker brown and the grass and tires are also that color - it's an ealier version I did, I haven't tried to re-work it yet today. How about the title Aging Gracefully??

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g6/amitphotos/IMG_7406brn.jpg

Lori_Clapp
01-17-2007, 10:12 PM
Last post in a row, I promise!

What about the title "The Golden Years"?

Robin_Arkenberg
01-18-2007, 01:00 AM
Hi Craig,

Yes, that's more of what I was thinking. I love the tones of the automobile and just think the whole image should go along with those tones.

Robin

Mark_McCall
01-19-2007, 04:25 AM
Lori,
Love the image, especially the copper color it takes on after your post processing.

But I don't feel the image is strong enough to get a merit.

Do you have anything else?

Lori_Clapp
01-19-2007, 04:28 AM
Lori,
Love the image, especially the copper color it takes on after your post processing.

But I don't feel the image is strong enough to get a merit.

Do you have anything else?

Anything else as in what? I have other car images from that car show - but I don't know what to look for. Or to not look for!

Mark_McCall
01-19-2007, 04:32 AM
Lori,
I was asking if you had any other images that you might consider entering.
You've got a great image here, but as you probably already know...print competition is brutal.

Your image is wonderful, just not strong enough for print comp.

Here's the twelve things print judges look for:

1. Impact: What you see first - what has the most impact, what creates you first impression - it could be a strong feeling of power, what commands you to look - what holds your eye?, and the impact could be any of the elements list below.



2. Creativity: Using your imagination, being very original or a fresh approach on a subject matter, creative cropping, creative use of subject matter, content could be very abstract, invention, design, feeling and imagination lifts the photograph into the realm of art.



3. Style: The part of the photography that sets your work apart from the rest, a different way of seeing, a different way of approaching, a brand new style, very real and not contrived, experimental, individuality is obtained in many different ways.



4. Composition: Good placement of subject matter, a very successful arrangement, harmonious proportions, using dynamic symmetry to place most important objects, good rhythm is created by repetition, whether it's color, spaces, moods, or division of a the photograph.



5. Print Presentation: Does the presentation enhance the photograph? Good cropping can add to the composition, good color for the matting or mount can help, daring to be different, using something dynamic or being very traditional, initial impression can be obtained by using creative mounting.



6. Color Balance: A good technique for the photograph a good selection of color for the subject matter or objects, using a very interpretative color (maybe not normal at all), creative use of color - example: complementary colors, dark against light, strong against weak.



7. Center of Interest: Dominance of objects or subject matter, a group of subject and arrangement of objects so one center of interest prevails, subject matter holds the eye with no distractions, moody or misty, strength and definition gives the center of interest; secondary points are very important to the photograph, but you must always be able to come back to the center of interest.



8. Lighting: A good statement of light, good portrait lighting, dynamic lighting, pattern of light can add to the enhancement. Strong mood can be created by the lighting, lighting is the art of reproducing the characteristics of the subjects or objects.



9. Subject Matter: An outstanding interpretation for the subject matter, good camera angle for the subject matter, selection of the photographic model or object is important, contrast here can be very creative in selection; example: old and young, warm and cool. All of these will complement your work.



10. Print Quality: Good strong contrast, using the middle tones, good color balance, expressions and artistic lighting, the simplest statements are the strongest, good angle on the building, backgrounds in key to the subject matter.



11. Technique: Different technique for the subject matter, techniques is the foundation of photography, but a knowledge of the art principles are very necessary, using creative and abstract can help, and design brings abstract ideas into concrete form.



12. Storytelling: A good strong statement, complete story within the photograph, successful presentation, achievement of purpose, first glance has complete meaning, strong mood or emotion, using strong complementary colors next to each other, strong mood with the photograph, builds and emotional response challenging your imagination.

Lori_Clapp
01-19-2007, 04:37 AM
Mark - thanks for the list. This is my first time entering - I know it won't be pretty to watch, but I can take it. I'm not entering expecting to merit - just figured I have to jump in sometime and try it! I posted the other images I was thinking of entering on this thread:

http://ourppa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4504

Mark_McCall
01-20-2007, 01:06 AM
Lori,
GOOD for you.

Competition is not about the merit, it's about making you a better photographer. The merit is just a pat on the back compared to being better at your craft.

Let us know how you do.

Holly_Howe
01-20-2007, 01:26 AM
Lori - I kinda of agree about the grass being green - but what no one has mentioned yet - there is also green reflection in the chrome. If you change the grass then that reflection will stand out.

Holly

Holly_Howe
01-20-2007, 02:10 AM
Here are a couple options Keith & I messed around with - cuz neither one of us want to do the laundry - which is what we should be doing.

Title - maybe "Nostalgia"

Holly

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p308/imager410/Loricar.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p308/imager410/Loricar2.jpg

Sue_Ellen_Tuttle
01-20-2007, 02:24 AM
I see the work and advice of many far more experienced than you or I on your image, Lori, but bottom line...I like the first image you posted best of all.

DianeDavis
01-20-2007, 04:04 AM
Lori,
the gold one that Keith and Holly did made me smile because the car's personality shines.

D._Craig_Flory
01-20-2007, 04:50 PM
I see the work and advice of many far more experienced than you or I on your image, Lori, but bottom line...I like the first image you posted best of all.

Hi Sue Ellen;

When images are judged, they are viewed under two Photogenic Mini Spots. A light meter is used, where prints are displayed, @100 ISO. The light intensity is such that the reading is F16 at 1 second ... pretty bright. That is consistant in the middle and all 4 corners.

I bring that up because a lot of images that look good in the studio look very washed out under the judging lights. Lori's first version would wash out badly. That's why I went so deep, with rich colors, to show a density that might be good.

When you start preparing images for competition, keep in mind that 8x10 is proportional with 16X20. So get an 8x10 of each first. If you don't own a set of mini-spots use studio strobes and turn up the modeling lamps all the way. Best would be parabolics. Sit back and view them at six feet. If they look washed out then you know to get the final 16X20's printed deeper.

Mark_McCall
01-20-2007, 05:10 PM
Craig,
EXCELLENT advice.

Lori,
Is there a non-affiliated judging close to you that you could run it through....to gauge the judge's reaction?

If entered in EI (Electronic Imaging), it would most likely score higher than in open catagory.

Keith_A_Howe
01-20-2007, 05:50 PM
Craig,
EXCELLENT advice.

Lori,
Is there a non-affiliated judging close to you that you could run it through....to gauge the judge's reaction?

Lori - Wyoming is an unaffiliated judging, Your affiliated judging is Rocky Mountian or er Colorado is handling it at the current time I believe.


If entered in EI (Electronic Imaging), it would most likely score higher than in open catagory.

Lori you can enter in EI if you want but I want to clerify this option for those entering affiliated judgings with respect to the PPA degree Programs.
There is just one affiliated (regional) judging for EI where you would recieve a seal of approval for merit, That is at the Southeast conference (SEPPA). If you are wanting to enter EI it is a seperate print case of upto 4 images. The merits earned from EI entries are eligible for the Master of Electronic Imaging Degree, Not the Master of Photography degree.

Differences in the catagories:
EI entries are judged on the work done to create the final image,the artistry and degree of difficulty of putting the image together. The entrant maker does not have to have photographed the orginal images.

Portrait Open, Album and Commercial enties are judged on the photography (lighting, composition, lens choices.... 12 elements etc.). The image maker has to have done the photography and either done or directed any artwork or image manipulation (in other words you can tell the lab to print, crop, burn / dodge and mount etc. instead of doing the work yourself).

Personally having had the privilege to Judge Portrait Open, Albums, Art Tech and Electronic Imaging catagories, I feel each has its challenges. For the image of the car, with good cropping, placement and print quality I would be in the merit range in the Portrait Open catagory. In the EI catagory I would be in the above average range - not meriting. What Lori did, she did quite well but the degree of difficuly is not there. If the image is being judged mainly on what was done to it electronically - then there needs to be more work then changing saturation and adding filters or effects. JMO
Keith

Lori_Clapp
01-20-2007, 09:33 PM
Craig, Mark, Keith, Holly, everyone else who commented/re-worked this image - Thank you for your help on it, and for answering my question about entering it. Like I said, I do not plan to merit my first time entering a competition. I'm doing it for the experience, and the stress!

Keith and Holly, I really like both of yours that you just posted! Now my problem is, I don't know which one to use when I figure out what I want to do with it to enter it! I like all the ideas. Maybe I can use a little from each one. But then I would post it and you all would have cool ideas about the new one,,,,,it's a vicious circle!!!

Thanks guys! I'll let you know what I do and how it turns out.

Holly_Howe
01-20-2007, 09:42 PM
For what it's worth Lori - I thought I liked the sepia better when I was monkeying around on them. Keith said no - stick with the copper/gold. So I did the second one - staying with your color balance. This is one time (A FIRST) when I have to say I think he was right. I like it better.

Holly

Keith_A_Howe
01-20-2007, 09:47 PM
Maybe I can use a little from each one. But then I would post it and you all would have cool ideas about the new one,,,,,it's a vicious circle!!!

Thanks guys! I'll let you know what I do and how it turns out.

Lori
That's what makes it truly yours . . . and you are right we would have new ideas. We just like to confuse people. Stimulas overload. ... Seriously the reason the rules have you direct (if not do it yourself) any print enhancement is two fold. The entry is your entry, your viewpoint at a given time not ours and it is (and should continue to be) a learning experience each and every time you look at a convention print.
Keith