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Keith_Hopkins
10-16-2012, 07:59 PM
I am trying to understand the difference between the newly established "loop" and the OUR PPA Forums. WHat is the difference and will the loop replace this forum. I am trying to understand why in this saturated social media era did the PPA design another platform. I thought the forum was where you connected with other PPA members.

Please explain. Thanks!

David_Trust
10-17-2012, 09:45 PM
Hi, Keith. Actually, theLoop is just another way for people to interact with PPA -- another door. Look at it like food (my favorite way to look at anything). Some like Mexican, some like Chinese, some like Italian. Some want tablecloths and candlelight, and some just want wings and a burger. A lot of people will continue to want to interact through OurPPA.com. And our hunch is that many who aren't participating in the forum will want to interact through a crowd-sourced social network (so far our hunch is correct). As you know, the experience is very different. In a nutshell, we are just trying to provide another door for people to enter. It is not the intent to force anyone to interact one way or the other.

Tim_Babin
10-18-2012, 02:30 PM
Keith,

I do not understand it either. But it has been two days and no one official has answered you.

The Loop seems to be a lesser quality to this forum in format and ease of use. It seems like the Loop could have been part of this forum if it is just for these members.

I would like to know more.

bwalker
10-19-2012, 01:54 PM
I am trying to understand the difference between the newly established "loop" and the OUR PPA Forums. WHat is the difference and will the loop replace this forum. I am trying to understand why in this saturated social media era did the PPA design another platform. I thought the forum was where you connected with other PPA members.

Please explain. Thanks!

On top of that, and I hope this isn't too critical as I may not see the loop benefits at this point, it looks like a gigantic mess with a total lack of organization. Do I need to be trained to comprehend what's going on here?

It appears to me the forum is much better as it is a well organized structure. As far as sensitive information is concerned peaople need to submit to areas that are not available to non-members. PPA needs to make it clear as to what areas are private in each and every area so the membership is not confused as to whether non-PPA members will have access.

I have not read up on the loop I admit. I just see this thing coming into my e-mail and it looks like mass confusion and I basically ignore it all.

Am I wrong with this impression?

kristinbednarz
10-19-2012, 03:30 PM
New here...not to the PPA, but new to the forums. I completely forgot they existed until I found my email invite to The Loop.

I think many of us are just used to forums. I grew up on them. Remember AOL Wedding Chat room? I'm totally showing my age here. The Loop reminds me of another social networking site for photographers. Laid out very similar. With so many places to hang out these days, it's a lot of info to digest.

And do the posts here show up on the Loop? It seems like it. Not sure. I watched the 2 minute promo video. I think I'm ready for "the study hall" to figure that place out. LOL

Stan_Lawrence
10-19-2012, 04:06 PM
It appears to me the forum is much better as it is a well organized structure. As far as sensitive information is concerned peaople need to submit to areas that are not available to non-members. PPA needs to make it clear as to what areas are private in each and every area so the membership is not confused as to whether non-PPA members will have access.

I have not read up on the loop I admit. I just see this thing coming into my e-mail and it looks like mass confusion and I basically ignore it all.

Am I wrong with this impression?

I had a similar impression... it's not easy to navigate, and it has the same conversations as the forum. I'll likely stay here....:cool:

Keith_Hopkins
10-19-2012, 04:08 PM
Dave- Thanks for Clearing it up. If you want to compare it to food then it should be something like this. You have flavors like PPA WPPI SPA ASMP SPA NAPCP & DWF . Now you have Facebook groups as well.

So what you are saying is when I have a question I need to post, I have to post in all PPA Facebook GROUPS, OurPPA, & The Loop. Now I will get different answers because no one is going to be a part of all the groups.

All that does is separate the information(answers) even more. It should be more centralized-ONE FORUM. If the PPA is about Educating Professional Photographers
This just don't seem to make any sense to divide information.

People turn to forums most times seeking advice. Where do you go to look up how to spell a word- The Dictionary. You would not want to go to another book that will give you a different spelling.

Here is one example from the loop-Names have been removed

IUSA CPP Programs

Message:
Does anyone know if we'll be having similar CPP only programs at Imaging this year? I know I enjoyed the couple of presentations last year and that there was some discussion about this year. I'm just curious from those who are in the "know" :-)

Thanks
-------------------------------------------


RE:IUSA CPP Programs

There was a great discussion on the FB thread about having a CPP track.... does anyone know what's happening to it?

-t

So this was all explained in a FB thread. Now it has to be explained again on The Loop.

I would suggest the PPA shut down the PPA FB groups and explain while direct people the forum for Q&A. NEXT you have Google + Groups. There is good information from good people. It needs to all stay in once place for PPA members to find it.

Joe_Galioto
10-19-2012, 04:40 PM
too busy to even think about another time suck.
until i hear how awesome the new loop is, i'l just sit back & wait

Michael_Gan
10-19-2012, 05:34 PM
Aw Joe! You telling me you're a follower, instead of a leader?? :D

Fuzzy_Duenkel
10-19-2012, 05:53 PM
I mentioned this before, but I too am totally confused by it. I tried figuring it out, and someone sent a video to watch. Well, dammit, I am too busy to watch a video to learn how to figure something out that should be as easy as falling into bed.

We don't need more complexity in our lives.

Sorry to be so sour. But if you can make it SIMPLE... as in
1) click
2) invent a username
3) invent a password

then fine.

Ron_Jackson
10-19-2012, 06:06 PM
Aw Joe! You telling me you're a follower, instead of a leader?? :D

First of all, who is Joe? I don't see a Joe posting here.

Secondly, I have read through the threads on the other post Whoohoo.... and I still don't see any answers as to what the heck the features and benefits of this Loop is. Plus, like Fuzzy mentioned in the other thread, this thing is crazy difficult to understand. I too don't need anything else in my life that takes more of my time to figure out. I am just way too crazy busy for that. Somebody needs to sit down and write a thread that tells us in much more detail that the heck the Loop is, what it will do for us, what are the features and benefits and why we want to be a part of it. Details please. This guessing game as you can see is just frustrating us all.

And I keep seeing replies such as, "We're rolling it out in bits and pieces." Be patient, we're working on it. Why didn't PPA finalize this new format and bench test it rather than throw it open to the members when it's just half baked creating more turmoil and confusion?

Stan_Lawrence
10-19-2012, 09:16 PM
On top of that, and I hope this isn't too critical as I may not see the loop benefits at this point, it looks like a gigantic mess with a total lack of organization. Do I need to be trained to comprehend what's going on here?

It appears to me the forum is much better as it is a well organized structure. As far as sensitive information is concerned peaople need to submit to areas that are not available to non-members. PPA needs to make it clear as to what areas are private in each and every area so the membership is not confused as to whether non-PPA members will have access.

I have not read up on the loop I admit. I just see this thing coming into my e-mail and it looks like mass confusion and I basically ignore it all.

Am I wrong with this impression?

I had the same impression.... the forum seems much easier to navigate, and it seems to have the same conversations.... I'll stay here....:cool:

Stan_Lawrence
10-19-2012, 09:18 PM
This is interesting.... it appears we need a moderator to approve a post?

Amy_Hall
10-20-2012, 12:21 AM
I don't feel like I'm finding a clear answer to this question. Will The Loop and this forum continue to co-exist? Will members get to choose which one they want to use to interact with other members?

markd61
10-24-2012, 11:28 PM
I find the Loop a very confusing place that ignores the basic conventions of forum postings.
As far as being social media, it isn't.Social media is not actually inclusive but is exclusive. One creates groups of "friends" that exclude "non-friends". It is an environment that encourages like-minded people to discuss and reinforce their opinions and beliefs and share their common interests.
What this forum does is include ALL PPA members (as does the Loop) to share and discuss the topics of our craft. It organizes the topics and is easily navigated and understood.The Loop is not.
But after those issues get fixed, then what do we have? We have another forum with cuter graphics. There is no "different" way of interacting with members unless posting replies to comments somehow qualifies as "different".

Sorry, but I see no enhanced value here.

StreitPhoto2002
10-27-2012, 03:04 PM
I had the same impression.... the forum seems much easier to navigate, and it seems to have the same conversations.... I'll stay here....:cool:


Ditto...I can't tolerate what a waste of time the Loop is. Definitely NOT a PROFESSIONALLY devised site for PROFESSIONAL photographers.

Stephen_Wrubel
11-06-2012, 07:26 AM
I also find the Loop very confusing. I can't figure most of it out and some of the pages don't work properly. I wish there was more information and help about the Loop. I have attempted to work with it every day since it started and have not had much success.

I find the forums perfectly aqueduct for discussion, and it is laid out in an orderly and non-confusing manner.

Also, if anyone can help point me in the right direction, please do so, as it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Stephen

Joe_Galioto
11-06-2012, 04:59 PM
If there's going to be similar discussions on both forum & loop
I don't have the time to look at both
Has ppa given us a reason why we needed both of them when everybody seems content with the forum

Michael_Gan
11-06-2012, 06:43 PM
Also, if anyone can help point me in the right direction, please do so, as it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

StephenStephen, write to TheLoop@ppa.com and they will help you. Best way to navigate through the loop is to go to you home page. At the bottom, click on the groups you're subscribed to and there you will see the different discussions. Once you get used to the interface, it's actually not as hard.

Michael_Gan
11-06-2012, 07:01 PM
If there's going to be similar discussions on both forum & loop
I don't have the time to look at both
Has ppa given us a reason why we needed both of them when everybody seems content with the forumSimple answer. If you noticed, you have to log in separately to the forum than you do for your PPA account. This disconnect is a problem for integrating the two. It's a software issue that couldn't be fixed. I'm available for pm's if anyone else have any civil questions;)