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Glenn_Lesnick
04-25-2012, 06:44 PM
If so, is there a specific category that is appropriate?

I realize the watermarks need to be removed.

Thanks in advance.


Title: In My Heart

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6076/6130945096_a8e454f1b3.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/glesnick/6130945096/)
A Little Love (http://www.flickr.com/photos/glesnick/6130945096/) by njphotog201 (http://www.flickr.com/people/glesnick/), on Flickr

Title: Hold On

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6194/6130607390_9b31606713.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/glesnick/6130607390/)
Hold Tight (http://www.flickr.com/photos/glesnick/6130607390/) by njphotog201 (http://www.flickr.com/people/glesnick/), on Flickr

Title: The Royal Couple

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6084/6130600424_ac68c986bc.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/glesnick/6130600424/)
The King and his Queen (http://www.flickr.com/photos/glesnick/6130600424/) by njphotog201 (http://www.flickr.com/people/glesnick/), on Flickr

Joe_Galioto
04-25-2012, 09:57 PM
Glenn
Don't mean to offend you
But if I see one more photo of hands In the shape of a heart
I think I'll hurl
Must be a 100 on pinterest
Keep in mind one of the elements the print is judged on Is impact

Glenn_Lesnick
04-25-2012, 11:13 PM
lol, I've actually seen my photo on Pinterest after it made it to #2 on 500px.com last year. I guess I must have started a trend... ;)

I appreciate the feedback though! And note - if seeing one more makes you hurl - that's impact!

Tss1203
04-26-2012, 01:52 AM
Glen, trust me the heart with hands pose has been around a looong time. I think it's cute the way you did it with the feet.


One thing that strikes me with the chess pieces is the over heavy vignette.

Rick_Massarini
04-26-2012, 06:04 AM
The heart hands thing has been around since the early 1970's. I used to do that pose for babies and brides back in the 1970's and 1980's, but stopped doing that pose about 20 years ago since it was getting old and trite even back then. In fact, Bill Stockwell used to show a shot of the bride and groom's hands forming a heart on his wedding photography lecture tours back in the early 1970's (probably the only people out there who will remember "The Misty Messiah", Bill Stockwell, will be Joe and me). Someone revived it a few years back and showed it on one of the baby photography "tours" and now it's everywhere, and everyone says it's their own original idea. I guess that's what the speaker told the attendees to say to their clients.

From a judging standpoint, I believe that the three images you posted will all fall in the 75 range. The heart motif has been drastically overdone, so in order for an image of that genre to score really high, it must be done in an outstanding manner. The same for the baby's hand holding the father's fingers. These images fall in the range of an average professional image of that subject matter. The keyhole effect on the chessmen, the contrast being pushed so high, and the color shift in the lower corners will hold it back. Also - chess pieces is a pretty commonly done subject and they are frequently used as subject matter for student projects at a lot of photography schools - so for a chessman photo to score high, it has to be something unusual, since this subject has been done to death too...

Sorry to deflate your impression that this is all original material... when it comes to most subject matter, it kinda reminds me of a song by "The BareNaked Ladies" - "It's all been done, it's all been done, it's all been done before..." Everything has been done before - the trick is to do it drastically better than anyone else has done it before - or drastically differently from what anyone has done before...

Joe_Galioto
04-26-2012, 05:48 PM
hey rick
how old do you think i am
bald is a fact of nature, shaved is a choice!
but your right, a remember bill stockwell ......snooooot
wasn't it bill that referred to out of focus weddding photos as:
"through the brides misty eyes" or was that monty
glen
i don't think there's anything wrong with doing some poses that have been around forever
i'ld rather my work looked more like john singer sargent then a mwc with sun flare
these kind of cute poses always sell well
competition is a different animal
the judges look for fresh concepts
a simple classic type portrait or wedding image can still merit if it's done really well and has most of the elements the judges look for
fwi : if you are not familiar, get hold of the list of the 12 elements the judges use to score the prints - try google or do a search here in the forum

Rick_Massarini
04-26-2012, 05:52 PM
Joe - I thought that you were my age - pushing 90 or so...

Joe_Galioto
04-26-2012, 05:54 PM
rick
are you on drugs.................you could be my father!

Rick_Massarini
04-26-2012, 06:02 PM
hey rick
how old do you think i am
bad is a fact of nature, shaved is a choice!

I thought that you were around my age (around 60 or so really) Darn - that makes me feel so ooold...
Yeah, I am on drugs - heart drugs, cholesterol drugs, blood pressure drugs, fluid drugs, and some that I have no idea what they do anymore except make a lot of money for the pharmacy every month....



wasn't it bill that referred to out of focus weddding photos as:
"through the brides misty eyes" or was that monty glen

Yeah - that was Bill - a real character - right down to his madras print pants that he always wore.


fwi : if you are not familiar, get hold of the list of the 12 elements the judges use to score the prints - try google or do a search here in the forum

... here's the link to Bob Hawkins article about the 12 Elements of a merit print...

http://www.ppa.com/competitions/international/12elements.php

Glenn_Lesnick
04-26-2012, 06:07 PM
Then again maybe it does pay to post some photos online. I was just contacted by a Book Publishing Company who would like to use the photo above "The Royal Couple" as a cover for a best selling book. They saw the pic on a photography website and asked what my second usage fees are.

Any suggestions how to respond? Pricing? Second run pricing? Contracts?

I'd appreciate any guidance.

Thanks,
Glenn

Glenn_Lesnick
04-26-2012, 06:37 PM
One more thing - I was totally sarcastic about starting a trend (hence the wink). I realize everything has been done already. I've seen the heart hands many times. When I saw the baby feet shaped like a heart together that's what inspired me to do it. You guys do come down pretty hard though! I appreciate the directness none the less.

Anyway, what prompted my initial question was more about these types of images. The heart and hands are not portraits and so I was wondering if there is an appropriate category for shots like these. They seem to have emotional impact without faces. I'm completely new to the competition aspect so just wondering if these are something to consider.

Rick_Massarini
04-26-2012, 06:59 PM
At the IPC in regards to merits, it really doesn't matter what category you enter them in since the judges do not judge them against each other but instead against the standards of the 12 Elements. If it has what it takes to merit, it will receive a merit no matter what category it is placed. Of course, there are also the Grand Imaging Awards (GIA) at the IPC, so categories do matter for the very top of the categories. At the IPC there are only 5 categories - Portrait, Wedding, Illustrative, Commercial, and Electronic Imaging. At Local, State or District judging, you will be competing with others in that category for trophies and "best of category" awards. You can enter them in Illustrative, but then you will be competing with landscapes and other types of scenic and pictorial images in that category.

Joe_Galioto
04-26-2012, 07:00 PM
glen
first off, i thought u were full of it, when u said u were the 1st to do the heart hands
glad u cleared that up
i've entered many print comps and i'm not sure is the hands go into the portrait or illustrative category
rick will know

i must have been typing same time as rick

Rick_Massarini
04-26-2012, 07:15 PM
Yeah - old people type slow... along with doing other things slow...

Glen - there is a code on the forum to let others know you're being sarcastic - set the type color to GREEN for sarcasm

Glenn_Lesnick
04-26-2012, 07:35 PM
Well Joe reading my post again the way you read it, I would have had the same reaction you did. I'll choose my words more carefully next time as it's hard to read sarcasm online sometimes.

Thanks Rick and Joe for your responses. They are informative and helpful.

About the book cover opportunity, I ran numbers based on fotoquote provided by Photoshelter's site. Does PPA have any resources/articles or typical contracts? I could not find a forum discussing it here. I did a search for usage fees and not much of value either.
Has anyone negotiated with a publishing house? Any advice would be appreciated.

Rick_Massarini
04-26-2012, 10:33 PM
PPA does not have any kind of pricing guidelines - but I believe that ASMP does.

Glenn_Lesnick
04-26-2012, 10:43 PM
Thanks to David Derex for this link:

http://www.humanistic-photography.com/pricing/pr_stock35.htm