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Vaughn_Monigold
11-13-2010, 11:32 PM
I wonder what local PPA affiliated are experiencing in membership trends.

Is there a noticeable decline in total membership?
Is there a noticeable decline in membership among veteran photographers?
Is there a noticeable decline in attendance?

If so, to what do you attribute the trend?
What, if anything, is being done to keep membership strong?

-- Vaughn Monigold
M.Photog.Cr

Stan_Lawrence
11-14-2010, 02:14 AM
Good question.... not sure since I haven't been at a local meeting in years..... :cool:

Michael_Gan
11-14-2010, 02:40 AM
Here is one link of many regarding proper association leadership: http://www.ppa.com/community/forums/showthread.php?t=16036

GregYager
11-14-2010, 07:28 PM
I recently joined my State organization and I'm getting mixed signals.

I've been in business in the same location for over 15 years and in that time I was never contacted by them about becoming a member. This tells me that recruitment is somewhat lacking. I have submitted a proposal to correct that problem.

I visited the website and found a low level of involvement there as well. The last newsletter(online magazine) was published in Spring '09! I placed a few questions in the forums but the only reply I got was silence.

On the other hand they are trying something new by hosting a competition that will be judged via webcast. I'm assuming we will be able to follow along online live as the judging is taking place. This feature may spark new interest and inject a little life into the organization providing it works.

The organization I'm referring to is the KPPA, Kentucky Professional Photographer's Association.

I recently attended the Illinois Fall Conference and according to them their numbers are down considerably in all areas.

Jonathan_Brown
11-14-2010, 11:38 PM
Greg--This is Rosemary posting here.

I am the one who talked with you earlier about the organization of KPPA. Sorry if I didn't get back to you more, but things have been incredibly insane around our studio with too much work--a nice problem, but constant editing!

Do you know who you sent the proposal to? We haven't heard a thing about it from any other board members, so please forward it to my husband at Jonathan@monarch-photography.com

I serve on the print committee and my husband, Jon, is on the executive board. He and several others have been trying to fix quite a few things. One of them is recruitment, which they are currently in the process of putting together new ways of getting the word out to Kentucky studios, whether they may established like you or new and in need of a state organization.

The thing is that it is difficult to make changes quickly when things have been done a certain way for so long. Membership is down across the board in many states, in my understanding. We have gained several new members over the past few weeks through personal contact of people we have met recently.

As for the newsletter, I don't even think that it's even posted on the site anymore, but they do one through e-mail and Constant Contact for members.

Right now, they are trying to get hotel room costs and state convention speakers for our KY state convention up in Florence in January of 2011.

And we are still taking submissions for the print competition/judging webinar this coming Sunday! Are you sending in your images? Feel free to write Jonathan with any questions!

There are many of us in the KPPA who do our best to recruit and make ourselves available. Please know that. We are glad to have you as a part of the organization.

GregYager
11-14-2010, 11:56 PM
Hey Rosemary,
The idea of going studio to studio seeking new members and meeting current ones was mentioned to Barbara Yonts in a recent e-mail. She was very responsive to the idea and said she would mention it at the next board meeting.

I know it's hard getting people to see eye to eye on making changes so that really slows the progress down considerably but I'm very proud of where we're going with the online image judging. I don't call it a print competition because no prints are involved but I am still excited about what it can do to attract new interest. Am I understanding it correctly that the judging will be done in a live webcast?(please tell me it's true :) )

I will be entering 10 images in the contest and am currently getting some cc on them here in the forum. If you're not a judge in the contest feel free to give me some input. I have very thick skin so no need to sugar coat the critique.

The magazine is still posted on the site(that's how i knew the name of it and when it was last published) I would be very interested in bringing this back to life I'm just not sure who to approach about the idea.

I'm happy to help in any way I can just let me know where I can be useful.

Michael_Gan
11-15-2010, 12:19 AM
The thing is that it is difficult to make changes quickly when things have been done a certain way for so long.This is the single biggest problem that is plaguing all of the associations across the country. These are called SACRED COWS, an in order to make rapid changes to your association, your board needs to get up the courage to get rid of them.

GregYager
11-15-2010, 01:52 AM
I just finished reading the thread you mentioned Michael. Very good info there. It got me to thinking....does my state have affiliate chapters?

Rosemary.....You mentioned getting hotel prices for the Jan '11 convention in Florence. Are you referring the the Expo in Covington Jan 21-23? That's the only one I see on our web site and if they're two different events then that's three in January if you count Imaging(which I'm definitely attending).

I checked to make sure I was right about seeing the magazine online and I was off a bit. The last time it was published was July '09. Here is the link where I found it. http://www.kyppa.com/Reflexions.htm

I look forward to helping in any way I can to make both the website and the organization as a whole a better place. Even if all I can do is tell you what it's like from a new member's point of view.

Missy50
11-15-2010, 03:13 AM
I have been involved in a couple of large organizations. One I was a part of for 10 years or so, until my daughter came along. It is called Toastmasters International. You may have heard of it. I have been an Area Governor 2 times, a Division Gov once (over central Alabama) and of course, various club positions at different times.

When I was single, it was not as hard. I made contacts that benefited me later on in my photography business. Division Gov was much different. It was like a full time volunteer job. And I had a business to work and run.

I was more than willing to delegate. I had plenty of volunteer TM work to go around and plenty of people step up to the plate help, but sometimes the work did not get completed and I still ended up doing it at the midnight hour. Occasionally there would be a club where the same people had run it since the beginning of time and had turned into 'sacred cows'. Those may have been the best run clubs. But the people running those clubs rarely did well in leadership positions outside those clubs.

My point is, most organizations are run by volunteers. Volunteers who have full time jobs, businesses, school, family, etc. They take on a volunteer position, but it is placed in an order of priority. As it should be.

In a perfect world, we have volunteer positions and enough individuals step up to take them. They learn their position, cross train and everything gets done. But life happens in the real world. Sometimes a simple answer to an email does not get answered b/c one volunteer does not know how to respond to a question and passes it on to the next volunteer, who puts it on the list of things to do...

In years of trying to find a 'local' ppa meeting to visit (and yes, I realize that I may have to drive an hour or two, maybe more) I have yet to get a month, day, time, month, etc.

Having "been there, done that" with other organizations, I do try to be understanding and offer to lend a hand when I can.

Jonathan_Brown
11-15-2010, 11:35 AM
Greg--we would LOVE to have you help in any way you can! E-mail us and let us know in what capacity and we will definitely put you to work!

Yes, the image comp will be able to be viewed via web cast as well. Jonathan is now print competition chairman and I am writing down scores, so I probably can't look at any of your images until afterward, but you will also get feedback during the judging.

Have you sent in your image CD to us?

And we are under contract with the Marriott convention center for rooms--we have just worked to renegotiate because someone before us locked us in to a rather large commitment. Luckily, we were able to work that down a bit.

I look forward to meeting you! At state this year, we will have Toni Corbell, Kent and Sarah Smith, Cliff Mautner, etc. It is going to be a great one!

GregYager
11-15-2010, 03:25 PM
I'm posting this here for the benefit of others and sending you an e-mail as well.

The image CD is going in the mail this morning. How could I pass up having 10 images judged for only $25 not to mention the chance to be part of what I think may be the first ever webcast judging!

Also I need some clarification. You said State Convention in Florence and I'm still seeing Covington on the website. Are we talking about two different events or does one of us have the city wrong?

One last thing because people are already starting to ask me..... Will people outside of KPPA be able to view the webcast as well?

Jonathan_Brown
11-15-2010, 05:06 PM
Hey, Greg--Just e-mailed you, too.

It is technically in Covington, but Florence is right there and so many of us use it interchangeably. The fact that the water tower right beside Covington says, "Florence, ya'll!" on it kind of sticks in your brain.

And I am going to find out about the viewing and will get back to you!

Jonathan_Brown
11-15-2010, 05:34 PM
Viewing info--

https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/264007546

Roger_Williams
11-15-2010, 07:04 PM
This is the single biggest problem that is plaguing all of the associations across the country. These are called SACRED COWS, an in order to make rapid changes to your association, your board needs to get up the courage to get rid of them.

The other thing I noticed about my State Association Board/Officers is that these Sacred Cows stay in a very tight heard and outsiders (new members to the association) are not made welcome into their group. They are glad to take your money but don't bother us because we are busy having a party at the conventions.

I've said it before, I would have loved to help out but no more after the way I have been treated and ignored. Besides, the state convention does not provide anything that can't be obtained at Imaging.

GregYager
11-15-2010, 07:59 PM
Viewing info--

https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/264007546

Thanks for the info guys! Is this the first time a competition has been judged live via webcast? If so then that means we're making history here!

GregYager
11-15-2010, 08:06 PM
The other thing I noticed about my State Association Board/Officers is that these Sacred Cows stay in a very tight heard and outsiders (new members to the association) are not made welcome into their group. They are glad to take your money but don't bother us because we are busy having a party at the conventions.

I've said it before, I would have loved to help out but no more after the way I have been treated and ignored. Besides, the state convention does not provide anything that can't be obtained at Imaging.

Roger,
When you see a problem step in and address it. If it can be changed do what you can to change it. I think the "Sacred Cows" Michael was referring to was more ideas and methods and not necessarily people. You were very open and friendly to my wife and I at the Fall Conference in Springfield so maybe it could be your calling to get back in the organization and seek out new people to make them feel welcomed. Don't worry about the cliques and do what you can to improve things. I am filling out my application to become an out-of-state member there so maybe we can work together on something like this.

John_Pacetti
11-16-2010, 05:39 PM
Many years ago New Jersey,s membership was around 275 to 300. Over the past 10 years our membership has dropped to 175 to 200 for any number of reasons. The past 2 years we have made a big push to retain members and recruit new members. Our State board has a lot of new and younger faces over the past few years.

We have made a huge effort to bring big name speaker in for education value. Increasing the number of educational events we offer each year. Making out presence known outside our organization. Offering our educational events to nonmembers. Things like this.

This past monday our North Region offered a "Wedding Boot Camp". The event was 10 hours of education. Marketing, outdoor portrait session, work flow image processing, and album design. Over 90 people attended. 28 were nonmembers. 8 of those joined at the event.

Over the last 18 months we have seen a lot of new faces at our events. Hopefully we can keep the trend going.

GregYager
11-16-2010, 06:53 PM
Rock on John!! That is awesome to hear!

I'm hoping to bring some of that energy and enthusiasm to Kentucky as well.

GregYager
11-29-2010, 04:27 PM
I found 3 local affiliates listed that are fairly close to me. E-mailed them to express my interest in possibly joining. 9 days later and still no response. Maybe I should just start one.