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taylor_hubbard
04-25-2009, 08:52 PM
Like my thread states, back in 2006 one of my prints scored an 87 from our regional competition. Me being stupid, was unaware that I needed to sent it down to international print judging...am I too late or can I send it in a my fourth print for this year?? Thanks!!


Taylor

Jeff_Dachowski
04-25-2009, 08:57 PM
taylor,
go ahead and send. Effectively you have done what is called busting a seal. It will enter the comp like other images, and will be judged to see if it is a merit. It might still be, and it might not be. For me I would always rather send a print that scored an 87, rather than a print that has not gone through a panel.

Jeff

taylor_hubbard
04-25-2009, 11:32 PM
Thanks Jeff!

Rick_Massarini
04-26-2009, 05:53 AM
Like my thread states, back in 2006 one of my prints scored an 87 from our regional competition. Me being stupid, was unaware that I needed to sent it down to international print judging...am I too late or can I send it in a my fourth print for this year?? Thanks!!


Taylor

If the print was sealed in 2006, the seal has "expired". It can still be submitted, it just will not be "automatically" accepted for exhibition. If the image had been submitted in the year it was sealed, it would have bypassed the "for Merit" panel and gone straight to a "for Loan" panel. In this case, the image will be sent to a panel judging unsealed entries and will again be judged for acceptance. If it is accepted and receives a Merit at the International judging, it will then be judged "for Loan".

Whether it is a safer bet that a print that has already scored an 87 three years ago will have a higher probability of being accepted than one that has never been scored is a matter of conjecture. Perspectives change, and the bar has been raised quite a bit in recent years. Images that would have done well a few years ago sometimes don't do as well today as techniques that were fresh and new a few years ago are now commonplace. In contrast, last year we received a print that was sealed 10 years ago but had never been submitted to the International Judging go before the jurors and it again received a Merit, proving that it was merit worthy then and was still merit worthy today - Good work is good work and that will be recognized by the jurors.

Busting a seal is not an uncommon event. Sometimes, a photographer focused on getting the image into the Loan Collection, will reprint an image with some changes that they believe will push the image from the General Collection into the Loan Collection, so they "Bust the seal" on the Merit and send in the "improved" version hoping for a Loan classification - sometimes it works and they get a Loan - sometime it receives an Merit but not a Loan, and sometimes, the Busted print doesn't get accepted - busting a seal in that situation is a gamble.

Lori_Clapp
04-27-2009, 03:11 AM
I don't think this is a hijack since Taylor's question was already answered.

My question is, how stupid is it to not send in an image that sealed at regionals? My sister and I both have one that merited. But we just never sat down and got any other prints ready to enter - and we just really don't have the money for two print cases, two overnight shipping fees, etc. Are we going to regret not entering because of giving up the seal? Would we be better off to just send in our print cases with one print each?

I do realize how stupid the above question is making me look. :o

Keith_A_Howe
04-27-2009, 03:32 AM
How badly do you want the merit? If you get to the point where you are just one merit shy of your Master's then you will regret it. If you have a year where you only need two more and you get three or four then it will never be an issue. Why can't you send the other non-sealed prints from regionals. You never know, with a different panel at national the end results may be different.

Keith

Lori_Clapp
04-27-2009, 03:44 AM
Dang - i was kind of hoping you wouldn't see this Keith! All the times you've helped me, and I don't even take the time to get prints ready! I really hate to give up a merit - I know they aren't easy to come by!! But at the same time, i hate to enter prints that I don't really like!

When is the absolute deadline? I know it will cost more, but maybe it's more do-able than by the end of this week!

(Keith - I really don't think anything else I entered at Regionals would do very well anywhere!)

Rick_Massarini
04-27-2009, 05:37 AM
Dang - i was kind of hoping you wouldn't see this Keith! All the times you've helped me, and I don't even take the time to get prints ready! I really hate to give up a merit - I know they aren't easy to come by!! But at the same time, i hate to enter prints that I don't really like!

When is the absolute deadline? I know it will cost more, but maybe it's more do-able than by the end of this week!

(Keith - I really don't think anything else I entered at Regionals would do very well anywhere!)

Lori,
I wouldn't give up the merit - they're too hard to come by. If you thought that they were good enough to send to Regional, then they should be good enough to send to National. Heck, you already have one seal, so just go ahead and send in what you sent to SWPPA !!!!

taylor_hubbard
04-28-2009, 03:23 AM
Thank you for all of the discussion on this topic. Here is my next question. Do I take the seal off from 2006? I was told to take it off because they will not judge it but rather send it back to me. What should I do??

Keith_A_Howe
04-28-2009, 04:03 AM
Wo told you that? That's bogus. Just leave it on there. You can cross it out if you want but it does not effect the print in anyway.

Keith

Rick_Massarini
04-28-2009, 04:44 AM
I agree with Keith - putting an X over the seal will help the print handlers to realize that it is expired and not a valid seal. If they see an X on the seal it will tell them that the seal is expired and to ignore it and run it through the "for merit" panel for acceptance.

International Judging Print Handling - just for info ...
At the International Judging, the print handlers are always instructed to keep an eye out for valid sealed entries that may have gotten incorrectly sorted into an unsealed crate (we also have the handlers in the Loan room checking to assure that all of the prints there are sealed or have been marked as being accepted in one of the "for merit" rooms). We have the print handlers watch out for seals since if a print was sealed and we were to somehow miss it and run it through a "for merit" panel, and on the odd chance that the print was not accepted by that panel, the print would go into the unaccepted room and might initially miss it's pass through a "for Loan" panel. It would be caught later in the final sorting step since it would be a sealed entry that would be marked as being "unaccepted" (Sealed prints can have only two final classifications - General or Loan). When the print would be found, it would be routed back to a Loan Panel. We try to take steps up front to avoid these kind of issues since just a few misplaced prints can take a ton of time to locate on the final day when we're checking that all the prints have been accounted for...

Keith_A_Howe
04-28-2009, 04:48 AM
Rick, while I am a little sad I don't get to judge national tis year, I can't say I am sorry to miss that final brutual sort!

Keith

Rick_Massarini
04-28-2009, 05:14 AM
It was definitely a long last day... this will help remind you of how you felt when it was all over last year...
I'm gonna miss y'all this year... No offense, dude, but I'm REALLY gonna miss Holly! Thanks for all the help!!!