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D._Craig_Flory
03-23-2009, 01:33 PM
I see that there is a new category this morning. I'll start this off: how many on here have no idea how to to earn the Photographic Craftsman or Master of Photography degrees ?

Howard_Kier
03-23-2009, 04:57 PM
I don't and the funniest (saddest) thing is I think that I've just earned something without even really trying. I just don't know what I've earned!

D._Craig_Flory
03-23-2009, 06:48 PM
I don't and the funniest (saddest) thing is I think that I've just earned something without even really trying. I just don't know what I've earned!

Hi Howard;

I'll start with Craftsman. It is the 2nd highest degree that PPA awards. You need a minimum of 13 teaching merits as well as 12 "other" merits. I taught Photoshop in different parts of Pa. as well as N.Y. state, New Jersey, and Maryland.

For the Master of Photography Degree, the highest that PPA awards, you need at least 13 print merits and 12 "other" merits.

Once you use merits, for one, you can't use them again.

Keith_A_Howe
03-23-2009, 07:45 PM
I'll start with Craftsman. It is the 2nd highest degree that PPA awards. . .
For the Master of Photography Degree, the highest that PPA awards,

This is not correct, one degree is not higher then the others. All four degrees are considered equal, just in different areas. An individual member may hold one degree in higher esteem, or find one degree more difficult to achieve then another, but PPA does not rank them or value one above the other.

The highest honor PPA presents is the National Award, which is not a deegree at all but an award given in recognition of meritorious contributions to professional photography .

Jackie_Haggerty
03-23-2009, 07:56 PM
D. Craig,

I am going to correct you on something. Where, exactly, does it say that the Photographic Craftsman degree is second highest to the Master of Photography degree?

It doesn't.

The Photographic Craftsman degree is completely separate, and equal, to the Master of Photography degree. A portion of the merits earned for the Craftsman are specific to receiving the Craftsman, and a portion of the merits earned for the Masters are specific to receiving that degree. In no way is one of the degrees superior to the other, for both have qualifications of their own, and are 2 separate - and equal- degrees.

Furthermore, there are more degrees listed on the PPA web site to note other than these 2, here is what the web site states for degrees:

Master of Photography (M.Photog.)
Awarded for superior photographic competence demonstrated through photographic competition, advanced education, and service to the profession.
(25 merits: 13 Exhibition merits, 12 Exhibition or Service merits)

Master Artist (M.Artist)
Awarded for superior photographic competence demonstrated through photographic competition, advanced education, and service to the profession.
(25 merits: 13 Specialist merits, 12 Specialist or Service merits)

Master of Electronic Imaging (MEI)
Awarded for superior photographic competence demonstrated through photographic competition, advanced education, and service to the profession.
(25 merits: 13 Electronic Imaging merits, 12 EI or Service merits.

Photographic Craftsman (Cr.Photog.)
Awarded in recognition of service to the profession as an orator, author or mentor.
(25 merits: 13 for lectures on approved programs or for positions as instructor or lecturer at approved PPA affiliate schools; 12 Speaking or Service merits)



There is a misconception that the Craftsman degree is not as important and easier to achieve than another degree. What is important to remember, though, is that those that are not as winded and have a hard time speaking in front of a group may find the Master of photography degree or E.I. easier to obtain than the Craftsman. There are those that may never be a master, yet inspire others through their abilities to share their knowledge of business or other varying aspects of being, then there are those that may never be a Craftsman, yet inspire others in their photographic vision and abilities and inspire others in that way.

George_Hawkins
03-23-2009, 08:02 PM
Well stated both Keith and Jackie.

I hope readers appreciate your writings.

Joe_Galioto
03-23-2009, 10:04 PM
i've got to disagree here.
ok i do hold both degrees, and was certified in the mid-eightys.
i also earned the highest level degrees available in my state.
the one i value above all is the masters! for the simple reason that the craftsman can be earned by anyone within a few years or less. go to workshops and speak on a local level, pretty easy stuff. the cpp which you guys hold up like it's the cat's pajamas is about entering average prints! and some people are just good test takers.
the masters on the other hand is a degree which is not that easy to optain.
and some might never even when pursuing it for years.
ok a little dirty background- when i persurd the cpp, the print part was a piece of cake. but, i did take the exam 3 TIMES, that's right THREEEE!
well, i've never been much for homework. so the first 2 times i never opened the book. 3rd atemp - no problem.
joe

Michael_Gan
03-23-2009, 10:59 PM
This is not correct, one degree is not higher then the others. All four degrees are considered equal, just in different areas. An individual member may hold one degree in higher esteem, or find one degree more difficult to achieve then another, but PPA does not rank them or value one above the other.

The highest honor PPA presents is the National Award, which is not a degree at all but an award given in recognition of meritorious contributions to professional photography .I agree, I would love to have a National Award someday. I've just awarded one to John Woodward last night at the PPC awards ceremony.

However, the degrees are the highest "earned" awards from PPA.

Heather_L._Smith
03-24-2009, 12:57 AM
the cpp which you guys hold up like it's the cat's pajamas is about entering average prints! and some people are just good test takers

Just a quick clarification, Joe... the CPP exam is completely separate from any and all degrees that you can earn through PPA. As a matter of fact, the CPP exam is administered by a third party, and you don't even have to be a PPA member to sit for the exam. The certification process is simply that - a practical and written exam to certify that you are competent in your craft. Nothing more, nothing less. While certification used to be required to earn a degree, it isn't a requirement any longer, and therefore is a complete and separate entity to the PPA degrees. And, as someone who teaches classes on taking the CPP, I do hold up the process like it's the cat's pajamas. It's a good process to go through, and as I work toward my Craftsman degree (teaching and serving others!), I'll continue to promote the program.

I think Jackie and Keith made their points very well. PPA has structured a system that allows photographers of differing skills to achieve recognition at a national level if they so desire. The Craftsman exists for those who love to speak and teach. The Masters exists for those who are successful in print competition. The Artist and EI exist for those master artists who are successful in creating beautiful artwork through advanced mediums.

See, aren't we all just one big happy family? There's a little somethin' for everyone.

Joe_Galioto
03-24-2009, 01:37 AM
heather,
don't get me wrong, i was very happy/proud when i received my cpp.
it's all good & worth the effort. i was just expressing how i feel about the different degrees & certification. although the ppa doesn't rank them, doesn't mean i can't.
joe

Jane_Lydick_Staid
03-25-2009, 10:24 AM
Looking back on it, Master was pretty easy to get, it was just a matter of time. I also had an in house color lab where I could spend hours working on one print if I wanted to. I love print competition and have learned so much from it.

Craftsman was much harder for me. I dont really like to speak. The anxiety before a presentation is a killer. Now I speak occasionally only if I am asked. I prefer to do something more informal geared towards what the those attending want to learn. I could spend all day demonstrating poses rather than have people stare back at me while I talk about a slide show.

Which one do I value more? I think the Masters because it was the first one.

mjgower
10-13-2009, 04:14 AM
i think i have followed most of this conversation, but for someone just getting started with PPA.... what should be the first baby step to take? certification or one of the levels mentioned above? it's all so confusing in the beginning!!!

thanks,
Jamie
www.foryouphotography.com

Mark_Levesque
10-13-2009, 04:32 AM
Certification is a good step in the right direction. It will facilitate achieving the craftsman and masters degrees.

D._Craig_Flory
10-13-2009, 08:57 PM
Hi Jamie;

I agree with Mark. I have been certified since 1986. With that after my name I was able to get speaking gigs as well as being a print judge at a sub state sized group. So, having certification helped me along as I went for Craftsman. (I set a goal to get it in 3 years and I did get it in 3 years) So, set a goal of how long each thing will take.

Michael_Gan
10-13-2009, 09:38 PM
Remember that certification is not a part of PPA anymore. It is a separate organization just like PPA, SEP and EPIC. The Certification Commission has similar powers to the Board of Directors for PPA.

Michael_Black
10-13-2009, 10:30 PM
i think i have followed most of this conversation, but for someone just getting started with PPA.... what should be the first baby step to take? certification or one of the levels mentioned above? it's all so confusing in the beginning!!!

thanks,
Jamie
www.foryouphotography.com

Attend class at a PPA affiliated school like MAIPP. Each class will earn a merit towards a degree. After you've grown as a photographer you can go speak at a guild earning more merits. Attend or teach a Super Monday will get you closer to that degree. Of course you should enter print comp at every opportunity. You just can get any of the degrees overnight. You need to work at them constantly over the long haul to reach your goal.

BlackTieGuy
11-10-2009, 10:32 PM
I have to say that the explanation on the website of how to obtain any of the degree's is horrible and buried under multiple links. While it does explain you need this many merits and so on, their is just a vague description on how to earn those merits. Like print competitions for example. I have searched all over this site trying to figure out how many are held a year. So far it looks like 1 through the ppa. Which to me is mind blowing seeing as how we have what, 14,000+ members and 1 comp per year if that's the case?

I also can't figure out the CPP steps. Is their a fee involved. Who do I contact about taking the test. I see we have a forum for it with what appears to be a study group half way through the cpp book. So is it a quarterly thing? No clue! I read above that it is a separate organization that handles it, but their site is just as cryptic as this one is.

While the PPA is great for what it does and stands for, this website site is by far the most cryptic, un-user friendly site I have ever seen! I'm a hard core tech guy and went to college and I find myself scratching my head trying to obtain any clear and concise information on this site!

David_A._Lottes
11-10-2009, 10:47 PM
I can't argue with you Robert. This link to another thread might put you in touch with some people who can help you get rolling on the degrees and certification. They are looking for people who are interested.
http://www.ppa.com/community/forums/showthread.php?t=18456

Cheri_MacCallum
11-10-2009, 11:03 PM
Another point of clarification, the "Master Artist" degree is no longer given.

BlackTieGuy
11-10-2009, 11:48 PM
I can't argue with you Robert. This link to another thread might put you in touch with some people who can help you get rolling on the degrees and certification. They are looking for people who are interested.
http://www.ppa.com/community/forums/showthread.php?t=18456

Thanks David! And Go Bears! I miss IL. SO much! lol

Tamerlin
11-13-2009, 06:20 PM
I'm also a bit lost, and trying to figure out how to get started with the certification process... I just joined earlier this week, but still, it's pretty hard to find information on the site. I have been trying to dig up info about how to get started on pursuing the degrees and certification, and also how to go about getting a portfolio into the find a photographer section.

I'm eager to get started, I just need to be pointed in the right direction :)

Michael_Gan
11-13-2009, 07:34 PM
First thing to do is to go to the certification website www.certifiedphotographer.com. There, you will find all the information and applications for certification. Certification is not a part of PPA anymore, so you would typically just get a snippit on certification on the PPA website.

Tamerlin
11-17-2009, 09:41 PM
I'll check that out -- thanks for the link!

Now the work...er, fun begins ;)

mrbarton
11-22-2009, 08:33 PM
Why not do it all and sort it out later? Get the degrees and certification and be happy.