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buddybartels
03-04-2009, 12:24 AM
Hey guys - just wanted to throw these 4 out there for critique...

Keith_A_Howe
03-04-2009, 12:39 AM
I would really like to have you post them larger so we can see them better. There is a thread posting larger http://www.ppa.com/community/forums/showthread.php?t=16047

It is so hard to tell detail and discuss issues this small.
Keith

buddybartels
03-04-2009, 01:01 AM
Sorry if this isn't the best way to post these, but here are some larger ones as requested:

http://www.buddybartels.com/dpreview/lamentation-working.jpg
http://www.buddybartels.com/dpreview/flock-final.jpg
http://www.buddybartels.com/dpreview/snow-final.jpg
http://www.buddybartels.com/dpreview/vinewall-final.jpg


Thanks again - Buddy

D._Craig_Flory
03-04-2009, 12:43 PM
Hi Buddy;

The first image is wonderful. I would move the crop so Jesus is a bit more to the right, on the first quadrant, as well as down a little so the guy in the top left is closer to the 2nd quadrant. Do you have any ideas yet for a title ? I thought of "Jesus Laid To Rest".

Cheri_MacCallum
03-04-2009, 12:54 PM
If you click on the image thumbnails, they get bigger!

Cheri_MacCallum
03-04-2009, 01:02 PM
On the first one, I would straighten the building just a tad...whether it was like that or not. I would also tone down the background image. It's a little distracting at full opacity.

On the second, I think your image is the two birds on viewer's left. I would suggest cropping the rest out and just using those two birds. Are they really green?

On the third, I agree with Craig.

The fourth one is cute, but the horizon line is going through the little boy's head. I'm sure Mom loved it but I would reconsider for comp.

buddybartels
03-04-2009, 01:04 PM
Hi Buddy;

The first image is wonderful. I would move the crop so Jesus is a bit more to the right, on the first quadrant, as well as down a little so the guy in the top left is closer to the 2nd quadrant. Do you have any ideas yet for a title ? I thought of "Jesus Laid To Rest".

Thanks for the feedback and the title suggestion. If you don't mind I think I'll use that.

Thanks again.

buddybartels
03-04-2009, 01:07 PM
On the first one, I would straighten the building just a tad...whether it was like that or not. I would also tone down the background image. It's a little distracting at full opacity.

On the second, I think your image is the two birds on viewer's left. I would suggest cropping the rest out and just using those two birds. Are they really green?

On the third, I agree with Craig.

The fourth one is cute, but the horizon line is going through the little boy's head. I'm sure Mom loved it but I would reconsider for comp.

Thanks Cheri - I actually have a couple other prints that I didn't post that have already merited at a state event. I just wanted to weed out a couple of these that I posted which helped me get rid of the birds and the kids in the snow :) Thanks for the feedback and help.

D._Craig_Flory
03-04-2009, 01:23 PM
Hi Buddy;

I am going to address the building now. There is so much going on with no clear cut main subject. I like the textures but don't see this going above a score of 76. (if you do use this as a 4th print to fill out a case ... it does need to go deeper)

I like the kids out for a sleigh ride. Here is how I see the presentation

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i93/DC47/SleighRide.jpg

I may be wrong but I find the birds image to have too much to focus on. I see it instead of just the bird in the upper right and here is my take on it.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i93/DC47/Soaring.jpg

buddybartels
03-04-2009, 01:37 PM
Hi Buddy;

I am going to address the building now. There is so much going on with no clear cut main subject. I like the textures but don't see this going above a score of 76. (if you do use this as a 4th print to fill out a case ... it does need to go deeper)

I like the kids out for a sleigh ride. Here is how I see the presentation

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i93/DC47/SleighRide.jpg

I may be wrong but I find the birds image to have too much to focus on. I see it instead of just the bird in the upper right and here is my take on it.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i93/DC47/Soaring.jpg

Thanks again for the feedback and suggestions Craig.

Keith_A_Howe
03-04-2009, 07:49 PM
I took a look at the images. You mentioned that you have 2 other images already so I will talk about my 2 choices;
The one of Jesus, I am a bit concerned about the white grunge stuff near the middle of the image otherwise I like it.

The vine wall - I played with it a bit, someone else mentioned straightening the wall already, I cropped it a bit and made some changes to the density and saturation to give it more impact.
Good Luck
Keith

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p308/imager410/redWindowBartels.jpg
Good Luck
Keith

buddybartels
03-04-2009, 07:59 PM
I took a look at the images. You mentioned that you have 2 other images already so I will talk about my 2 choices;
The one of Jesus, I am a bit concerned about the white grunge stuff near the middle of the image otherwise I like it.

The vine wall - I played with it a bit, someone else mentioned straightening the wall already, I cropped it a bit and made some changes to the density and saturation to give it more impact.
Good Luck
Keith

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p308/imager410/redWindowBartels.jpg
Good Luck
Keith

Keith - I really like your version of the vine wall. Can you email me your workflow for that (or post here)? buddybartels@gmail.com
I can't thank you enough for your input and advice.

Buddy

Keith_A_Howe
03-04-2009, 09:09 PM
In levels I took the blacks up but help the alt key down to make surer I didn't lose detail in the shadows. I took the mid tone slider down to about 70 the first time. I did transforn distort to pull the upper right corner out and straighten the wall. I recropped. Made the background layer black to see saturation better and then selected the door with the marquee tool, then select inverse and took midtone slider down again to aprox 75 . Then I selected inverse again so I was back on the door and brought up saturation to taste - don't remember the setting. Then I selected inverse again and took the burn tool on highlights set at about 4% and knocked all the white points down in the background and over the foreground several times. then I switched to midtones and burned the foreground even farther. Then I set the sponge tool to saturate at about 15% and just ran over the kind of leading edges of the ivy to create more of a feeling of layers of ivy and balance the saturated door. Next I took a dodge tool with a fairly large brush and went diagonally across a few panels in the door to create a more directional feel to the light skimming across the door. Lastly I picked the stroke from the door color to emphasize it as the center of interest. In your original version there was no clear cut center of interest and by making the door pop, the viewert now knows what to look at. It needs a title to create a story - something like "Escape Hatch" or "Secret Entry".

Keith

buddybartels
03-05-2009, 12:49 AM
Just wanted to thank everyone for your input. You have no idea how helpful everyone was.

I have one more picture that I've always really liked and wanted everyone's take on it as well.

I've attached the "thumbnail" and here's a larger one: www.buddybartels.com/Trapped-low.jpg

Thanks in advance.