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Angela_Lawson
06-12-2008, 08:56 PM
Okay, I would just like to put in a request. I would like to see some type of workshop/seminar with the following line-up of speakers all in one location, somewhere close to Michigan. Would love to see Keith and Holly, Don Chick, Jeff D., Michael Gan, and Mark L. all in one spot. We can have lighting, posing, more lighting, and even a Lightroom class (something I really need). Wouldn't that be a great line-up of speakers?! I bet we could get most of the OurPPAer's to come, right everyone?!!! And those of just a few that I can think of off the top of my head. Then let's add in a few more, like Cheri and Sandra for the painting and artistic sense, and a few more like Stan for marketing. I'm sure there are others that I'm forgetting, so don't feel left out, just add you name to the list, and let's see what we could do!!!:D

I know, I know, the cost would be astronomical, but I can dream can't I?!;)

Angela

Andrea_Chapelo
06-12-2008, 09:44 PM
Ohio is close to Michigan...come here....I will play hostess:D

Cheri_MacCallum
06-12-2008, 09:50 PM
Then let's add in a few more, like Cheri and Sandra for the painting and artistic sense

Awww!! I feel so honored to be part of your request!! Sounds fun to me...I'm game!!!

Sandra_Pearce
06-12-2008, 10:12 PM
Thanks Angela, you have put me in an elite group. I, like Cheri, am ready to give it a shot. Sign me up.


Sandra

Don_Chick
06-12-2008, 10:16 PM
Where do I sign up?....

Can I teach the studio lighting, can I, can I ?????


Andrea, I noticed that new avatar - Very nice!!!

David_Piet
06-12-2008, 10:20 PM
Sign me up as an attendee! I think an event like this in the middle of the country has a lot of potential, especially if close to a major airport.

Keith_A_Howe
06-12-2008, 11:15 PM
Angela,
Thanks so much - it's flattering to be wanted! Perhaps you can contact your state association and make suggestions on speakers you would like to hear.

Keith

Stan_Lawrence
06-12-2008, 11:57 PM
Angela, I'm honored to be mentioned with such an elite crowd....and I'm not really doing a lot of seminars at this time.....actually next week will do it for me for a long time....there are quite a few really good marketing folks out there that would love to be part of that group. Thanks. :cool:

Mark_Levesque
06-13-2008, 12:42 AM
Wow- this really brought a big smile to my face. Nice to be mentioned with such heavyweights. I'd love to be part of such a thing, if we could make it happen. It's especially nice to be wanted without a posse in sight. :D

Keith_A_Howe
06-13-2008, 01:20 AM
Nice to be mentioned with such heavyweights.


Heavyweight? Are you saying I'm fat?

Keith

Don_Chick
06-13-2008, 01:27 AM
Nice to be mentioned with such heavyweights. :D

I resemble that remark! :eek: :eek:

Angela_Lawson
06-13-2008, 01:55 AM
Wow, you guys are great!! I didn't think my ramblings would be taken so seriously. I mentioned this post to my husband, and all of the sudden he's trying to think of locations to hold it, who we could get to sponsor it, etc. If I really thought it would work, I'd have you all here in a heartbeat. We could have the OurPPA version of the "Dream Team". :)

Angela

Jeff_Dachowski
06-13-2008, 03:37 AM
Hey Angela,
Before you include me in the mix, you might want to see if I have anything to teach. You will find out soon enough!

Since three of your intstructor all live in NH, why not have everyone come here? Maybe you could come for our convention, and set up a couple of all day post convention intensive studies?

Jeff

ps. THanks for including me. You made my day!
Jeff

Jackie_Haggerty
06-13-2008, 04:06 AM
Angela,

Just wait - once you meet a few of these folks from ourppa in person, you will want to have this seminar even more! I can't wait to see what you post on Tuesday! :D ;)

Cindi_Delaney
06-13-2008, 05:01 AM
:) But hey everyone flights to Vegas are always cheap. And I can get great rates and the use of space if it's held in Mesquite.
We are warm and dry year round.
Most of you are clear across the country.
"Go West Young Man, Go West!"

Karen_Linsley
06-13-2008, 05:18 AM
Ah well...since Cindi thinks everyone should fly in to Vegas and drive over to Mesquite, I think you all should fly in to Reno and drive up to the Lake! I have the perfect location, and I can get it for free!

Cindi_Delaney
06-13-2008, 06:03 AM
Hey Karen,
We could meet in the middle. Say. . . .Tonapah? Maybe Goldfield?
There's really nothing out there so it should be really cheap. But I hear they have an awesome hotel. Would be a great location for outdoor shots. :)

Just kidding. Those city folk wouldn't know how to handle those kind of places.

DianeDavis
06-13-2008, 06:20 AM
Hey Karen,
We could meet in the middle. Say. . . .Tonapah? Maybe Goldfield?
There's really nothing out there so it should be really cheap. But I hear they have an awesome hotel. Would be a great location for outdoor shots. :)

Just kidding. Those city folk wouldn't know how to handle those kind of places.

My baby was born when we lived in Tonopah. Still trying to figure out what we did to get sent there ;). AND we photographed the wedding of the biggest bridezilla I've ever seen there, she was the big fish in that little pond.

I vote California- lake and wine country all in one!!

Cindi_Delaney
06-13-2008, 06:57 AM
Diane, you truly know the meaning of "The middle of nowhere.":D

Heather_L._Smith
06-13-2008, 12:40 PM
I'm in if I can be Head Groupie. Or Stalker. Either one is appropriate.

Don_Chick
06-13-2008, 12:46 PM
I vote California- lake and wine country all in one!!

My wife is Sandy from Wilton, California (near Sacramento). She would love to have a reason for a visit.

Then I would get to spend time visiting with my Mother-in-Law!! :eek: :eek:

George_Hawkins
06-13-2008, 01:43 PM
Can you "...... group" make it to Cape Cod, during a NEIPP school session in April, unsure what year: 2009 or 2010 and beyond?

NEIPP school long range planners (I am one) want to have one class that has four instructors - one each for the four full days of Mon-Thur. We need a good mix, so that an attendee will receive some great info for the "mix". An intro time on Sunday evening and wrap-up on Friday morning; we would not ask the instructors to be present the full week. Arrive, teach the day, and leave is the tentative concept. We'd like to keep costs lower to keep tuition lower than other courses. Preliminary Thoughts? George

D._Craig_Flory
06-13-2008, 02:02 PM
Okay, I would just like to put in a request. I would like to see some type of workshop/seminar with the following line-up of speakers all in one location, somewhere close to Michigan. Would love to see Keith and Holly, Don Chick, Jeff D., Michael Gan, and Mark L. all in one spot.

Angela

Hi Angela;

That might prove to be difficult to get all of them, at one time. I suggest that you work on your state association to bring them in one at a time. I have done that and we had Mark Levesque in April, due to my efforts. Next year we have the Howes and the following year Don. I just gave information to the right people. I've been working on, and still working on, bringing in Jim Lersch. Just start calling and e-mailing your state officers and board members on who you would like to see. If there are any other OurPPA people in your state ask them to also petition to bring them in ... strength in numbers.

Linda_Gregory
06-13-2008, 02:06 PM
WICHITA IS THE PRIME PLACE.


Don has family here, Jeff and Carolle love it here, not far from everyone, Stan's coming next week,

LET'S GO!

Okay, we have an airport here but there are many who would prefer to fly into KC. We'll rent a van and get you all down here and you can enjoy the beautiful scenery along the way. The Flint Hills are to DIE for. The locals don't always see the beauty but my husband and I go out of our way to go through them every chance we get.

We also have beautiful models!!!

John_Metcalfe
06-13-2008, 02:17 PM
I dunno... Get you all in one place? I don't think much of the right type of learning would be going on! (not that I'm much better)

Heather_L._Smith
06-13-2008, 02:21 PM
WICHITA IS THE PRIME PLACE.


That's so funny, Linda... I was thinking Kansas would be perfect because it's in the middle of the country, so all the East coasters and the West Coasters would have the same amount of travel required! Haha! Oh, and it's probably fairly inexpensive there, I would bet.

And what's this about a van?? A van?? Nah... we need a tour bus.

Linda_Gregory
06-13-2008, 02:24 PM
Okay, a tour bus.

Thing is John, I've studied with these guys and even when they're cracking us all up, they're teaching. It's like it's in their blood.

Trust me, you remember the jokes and when they've got good info in them, it really helps!

John_Metcalfe
06-13-2008, 02:41 PM
I have been around them though only once... Funny thing is I remember the jokes but after that things get a little foggy...

John_Metcalfe
06-13-2008, 02:42 PM
I'll be at Jeff's class on Monday. Maybe he can fill me in on what I've forgotten.

Keith_A_Howe
06-13-2008, 02:43 PM
I don't like to rain on anyone's parade, but if you guys are serious about this, you should know what you are getting into. By my count you have listed 8 people you would like to have speak. Let's do some rough figures. If a plane ticket runs an average of $300 and you have two nights hotel for $100 - That's $500 minimum expense to get each speaker there. That's $4000 before you even start paying any of them for speaking fees. You would need to compensate these people somehow because they would each be giving up at least three days of studio time. You can't expect them to do it for fun. Just for illustration, lets say $500 a piece. That's another $4000. I don't know about the other people, but my sponsorship only aplies to speaking for associations, not private run events. So you can't count on sponsorship money to cover these expenses.

Then you need a location. Even in NE it's hard to find a location for free. That's why our state events are held outside of our major cities. Because the meeting rooms are free if you also have a meal function each day. So now you have to add meal costs to the grand total. Then there are all kinds of other little costs that add up- like renting equipment if speakers need something, compensating models, promoting and advertizing the event to draw in attendees. So once you add all those costs together, you divide by the number of people you can expect to attend to figure what you have to charge minimum for registration. If you have a huge turnout- you might end up making a profit and then you have IRS issues.

Then you have logistics, getting speakers back and forth from airports, making sure the right equipment is in the room at the right time, lining up models, who is gonna be in charge of collecting registration money ahead of time and should they be expected to run that money through their personal bank account? Or are you going to have a bank account set up for this event? How are you going to promote it? You are going to need at least 100 attendees to cover expenses and I don't believe you can get that just by promoting on this forum. All that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Next, how are you going to pick a location and what date are you going to shoot for? There is never going to be one location or one date that everyone will be happy with. Someone might say they are in - but when it is set to be 500 miles away in the middle of their senior season, they might decide it's not worth it. There are a million events out there and you are competing for attendees with all those other events. Some of those events have well run associations behind them, or corporate sponsors like Marathon or Canon. And you would be competing agaisnt their marketing power. I feel flattered that you put my name on this list, and maybe I am well known on this forum, as are the rest of that list- but are we well known to photographers who do not participate here? Well known enough to draw people from distances? I don't know about that.

I am not saying this can't be done, but I think there are a million issues that need to be considered before someone takes this on. Just don't walk into it without an understanding of what you are undertaking. If one or several of you are willing to work this hard to arrange all this, then go for it. But this is why associations have whole boards of people, because it's not easy to arrange events of this size. Especially with volunteer labor. I have been through a board of directors and been conference chairman for several events, so in this case I do know what is involved. I will be a big supporter and cheerleader for anyone who wants to give this a shot. I just don't want it to fall apart halfway through planning because it is more work then you ever imagined.

Keith

John_Metcalfe
06-13-2008, 02:48 PM
And here I thought you guys would just show up to it! Didn't Woodstock start out like this?

Angela_Lawson
06-13-2008, 03:45 PM
When I started this post, it was just a post of wishful thinking, after seeing how everyone seems to enjoy these speakers individually, and thought "what a great event it would be if we could have them all in one place at one time". If you caught the very end of the first post, I did mentioned that I knew the cost would be astronomical, but a girl could dream, right?!:)
Anyway, I never realized it would turn into a bidding war over the location.:eek: :D Anyway, more than anything, I just wanted the people I listed, and many of those that I didn't, to know how much their input is appreciated by everyone on these forums, and how great it would be "if" we were to ever be able to get them all together.

So, I guess I'll end this post with a "Thanks to all", and now return up to our regularly scheduled programs. :)

Angela

Cindi_Delaney
06-13-2008, 03:53 PM
Angela,
I just love the fact that anytime anyone on this forum does a "I wish we could." or "Wouldn't it be cool if?" or "How can we?"

All of the people you mentioned and other OurPPA members jump in with help and solutions. So I'll add my thank to Angela's.

(But seriously if any (any OurPPA Member) of you get the chance for Vegas, Mesquite is a short 1 hour drive north and it's Nevada without the insanity of Las Vegas. Give me a call and I'll get you a good rate at Mesquite Hotels and Golf Courses, and Casinos and show you some really cool places to photograph)

Don_Chick
06-13-2008, 03:57 PM
It was fun while it lasted!!!

Thank you for even considering me - it's an honor to be mentioned in the title of this thread.

Michael_Gan
06-13-2008, 05:26 PM
Awww, thanks so much for including me on that list of light weights;)

This is like dancing with the Stars! This is turning out to be a national tour:D

I'm in!

Just a thought. California has it's Pasadena Western States Convention in March, But, in August 2009, we are working on a Northern California Two Day Conference and have put a "hold" on the South San Francisco Conference Center. I'm in the beginning stages of putting the leadership group for this conference, so, to date, we don't have our speakers lined up, yet. This will include a smaller 80 booth trade show (our WSC has about 150). With sponsorships from the speakers and how we have our budget set, this might actually be doable.

Heather_L._Smith
06-13-2008, 05:30 PM
How about this.... we can all meet up at a great pizza place in Phoenix in January and everybody bring their best piece of advice. Sound like a plan?

Jeff_Dachowski
06-13-2008, 05:42 PM
What's going on in Phoenix?
Jeff

Michael_Gan
06-13-2008, 05:43 PM
Imaging USA in January. oooh, pre convention program?

Keith_A_Howe
06-13-2008, 05:57 PM
sounds great to me!
Keith

Heather_L._Smith
06-13-2008, 06:29 PM
What's going on in Phoenix?
Jeff

If I didn't know you, I'd write this big long description about IUSA and probably include a link, and tell you how cool it is and that you meet some really neat people there and it's a big party where you learn a few things too. But I DO know you... so I won't.

Go to Imaging, you will.

DianeDavis
06-13-2008, 06:37 PM
Diane, you truly know the meaning of "The middle of nowhere.":D

Yup or the exact location of ****, however you choose to look at it ;).

Keith_A_Howe
06-13-2008, 06:39 PM
What's going on in Phoenix?
Jeff

Toga party
Keith

Angela_Lawson
06-13-2008, 08:26 PM
See, now you all are moving the party too far away again! I can't make IUSA this year (finances just won't allow it).

George_Hawkins
06-14-2008, 02:57 AM
Some of you,
I challenge to have a few days in advance of IUSA pre-convention whatever, to do a Grand Canyon "safari" and outing including Sedona, part of the Route 66, and whatever else can be thought of.
One once suggested to fly one way, in/out Vegas/Pheonix; rent vehicle and drive between the two stopping wherever one is motivated for images.
George

Cindi_Delaney
06-14-2008, 03:08 AM
I'm driving to Phoenix. From Mesquite.

andiegoodman
06-14-2008, 05:02 AM
Where do I sign up?....

Can I teach the studio lighting, can I, can I ?????



Don, I will let you teach lighting and I will teach pricing. Can I come out and play, too?