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Karen_Smith
05-21-2008, 02:41 AM
Nationals is coming up, I already have two merits from Mid East, one of my other prints I'm submitting as is. So I need one more to send. What is your opinion??

Liz_Vance
05-21-2008, 06:01 AM
Hi Karen,

I really like it, but it's hard to see. Can you make the image bigger, please?

Thanks!

-e

Joe_Galioto
05-21-2008, 06:05 AM
karen,
looks nice, have you tryed flopping the image?
the subject is dead center, maybe an off center crop bring him into the rule of thirds would benifit.
joe

Heather_L._Smith
05-21-2008, 01:34 PM
Karen -
I'm with Liz - would love to see it bigger. One thing I noticed is that there's a light-colored line leading straight up out of the top of his head. Do you have a title in mind?

D._Craig_Flory
05-21-2008, 01:47 PM
Hi Karen;

I'm with Joe about flipping it. The bright areas also need to be toned down. Here is how I see it ...

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i93/DC47/WaitHereReWorked.jpg

Linda_Gregory
05-21-2008, 01:51 PM
The lighting is great, the color is also (as well as can be seen in this small version) but the lines in it hold me back from looking at the child. As Heather mentioned, there are really two out of the top of his head and then the bright spot on the original's left should be darkened or cropped out.

I'm interested to hear what the knowledgeable guys have to say.

Karen_Smith
05-21-2008, 02:46 PM
Thanks for your opinions, here it is bigger. I toned down the hot spot, softened the line going through his head and reversed it. Let me know what you think.

Karen_Smith
05-21-2008, 02:50 PM
I am having a hard time getting the larger file to upload. What is the best way to do that?

John_Metcalfe
05-21-2008, 05:01 PM
Nationals is coming up, I already have two merits from Mid East, one of my other prints I'm submitting as is. So I need one more to send. What is your opinion??

before i answer, i purposely did not look at the other comments
i feel it is going to fall short as is. though it is a nice print, there are to many items competing with your subjects. some may ask you to flip it, i say do not.
you read l to r and top to bottom, correct? you look in to the child down his arm to the duckling. it sell the story. any other way and it won't sell as well.

Fixes:

eliminate detail in the items that are not telling the story. (crop, diffuse or tone down what ever takes you astray. add more detail to the print. the color tones are making it appear flat even though it may not be. consider adding grain or texture, maybe even try mixing in the idea of bxw.

good luck!

Keith_A_Howe
05-21-2008, 05:39 PM
Karen,

First off DO flip the print. You read as John said L to R. But as the print is originally, you read into a stopper, the back of his head. Once your eye jumps over you read down the arm to the duck and right out of the right side of the print. There is nothing to hold you in. By flipping you read into his face and then travel down his arm to the duckling. His body holds you into the print. You want to read into the mask of the face not the back of a head.

I would not suggest any grain or texture. Judges see past grain and texture for what it is, an attempt to dress up the common place. It can work if it adds to the story the print is trying to tell. On your print it doesn't perpetuate the idea of the print, so if it doesn't enhance, it distracts.

I feel the background still needs to go darker and softer and the background mat also should be a deeper shade of navy blue. I would crop off some of the right hand side to eliminate most of the fence. I would like to get rid of the fence entirely but that makes it too tight to the boy. So leave one board of the fence. Lighten that board and darken the kinda foggy looking area in front of the fence so it blends more together. I wish I could see his face larger to see how it looks. Can your crop just the face and post it?

I think this image will be borderline depending on print quality. If you have great print quality I think it will merit. Otherwise I think it will just miss.

Keith

Don_Chick
05-21-2008, 06:57 PM
I too agree with the flip!

One little detail that you might also consider is evening up the distance from the edge of the print to the edge of the image. You have 4 different distances around the image. Personally I would make the bottom and right distances equal but a comfortable distance from the edge. I would make the top distance greater than the bottom/right distance. You decide what that distance should be. My thinking behind this suggestion is... 4 different distances create a certain amount of tension (albeit subtly). (imo) You don't want to create a lot of tension for the viewer, so making 2 of them equal and not positioning them close to the edge minimizes that element of tension in the presentation.
I also agree with Keith.... Great print quality could perhaps take this print into the merit range, but if it doesn't it won't miss my much.

Good luck

Liz_Vance
05-21-2008, 07:05 PM
I am having a hard time getting the larger file to upload. What is the best way to do that?

Hi Karen,

Do you have someplace that can host your file (like wherever you park your website)? Upload teh file there, and then use the little mountain icon to add the photo link.

-e

Karen_Smith
05-21-2008, 07:31 PM
here it is reworked with Keith's suggestions.

John_Metcalfe
05-21-2008, 07:32 PM
o.k. i give on the flip now that i've seen the other comments...

and the image is snging a little better now. the contrast, the detail in the print doesn't appear as flat.

the corner painted in the background on the subject and the gate distracts me.

Don_Chick
05-21-2008, 07:41 PM
Has the duck been added or modified in any way?

Karen_Smith
05-21-2008, 08:08 PM
Has the duck been added or modified in any way?
No, the poor little freeze dried fellow was there from the beginning. Does it look fake or added?

Karen_Smith
05-21-2008, 08:10 PM
Regarding the comment on the position of the image does this vertical look better. If I moved it over on the horizontal it seems like it is being pushed to far to the right.

Karen_Smith
05-21-2008, 08:12 PM
Keith,
here is cropped version of the boys face.

Don_Chick
05-21-2008, 08:39 PM
You had a posting earlier that was all text. When I clipped the address provided into a browser session it showed an image much bigger than is now being show. In the bigger image I could see more detail and the duck looked a little "soft".... It only made me want to be able to zoom closer to see if there were obvious cloning or PS work done to "put" it there... If its original then you should be fine.

I am inclined to like the horizontal presentation better, but that may change after I look an hour from now....

Karen_Smith
05-21-2008, 11:32 PM
Here is a try at a bigger image.
<A style="DISPLAY: block" onclick="window.open( this.href, '_blank', 'width=3000,height=2400,scrollbars=no,resizable=no ,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no, status=no,left=0,top=0' ); return false" href="http://imagesbykaren.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54fc55ef4883300e55271b7e98834-popup"><img class="at-xid-6a00e54fc55ef4883300e55271b7e98834 image-full " title="Mason 20x16" alt="Mason 20x16" src="http://imagesbykaren.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54fc55ef4883300e55271b7e98834-800pi" border=0></A>

If that doesn't work here is a link to view it, sorry I'm not good at html stuff.
http://imagesbykaren.typepad.com/imagesbyotherphotogs/

Linda_Gregory
05-21-2008, 11:38 PM
hmm...trying my skills at adding your image here.

http://imagesbykaren.typepad.com/imagesbyotherphotogs/

nope, can't get it show up, either. follow the link and click on the image and you'll get it...really big.

Don_Chick
05-22-2008, 01:31 AM
I'll try too...

http://imagesbykaren.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54fc55ef4883300e55271b7e98834-800pi

Karen_Smith
05-22-2008, 04:13 AM
Thanks Don. I appreciate everyones comments.

Any opinions on the changes made?

Dave_Cisco
05-22-2008, 04:33 AM
What are you going to title it?

Joe_Galioto
05-22-2008, 04:44 AM
sitting duck!
joe

Don_Chick
05-22-2008, 12:45 PM
Titles.... let's see.....

Duck a l'Orange
Peking Duck
Duck Sauce

Now I'm hungry....

John_Metcalfe
05-22-2008, 01:40 PM
i know it is a crude attempt, but that's what you get when you try this without your wacom tablet...

i drop the top's vines down, removed the dark box on the left, took away the horiz. lines and the dark to light split from above the subject's head, removed the gate and filled in with the darker portion of your background, afterwards i toned down some hot spots and lightened others. (too many to list) most likely after viewing here i would take down the subjects and the box more, but you don't really see these things till they are posted.

compare with the others. best method i know is to squint your eyes and see where your eyes are drawn.