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Todd_Reichman
01-28-2008, 05:45 PM
Hello all,

I want to submit a few albums this year (my first attempt at competition). I've realized that I've seen very few actual competition albums, and really have no idea where to start. So, here's a sample wedding album that I'm thinking of submitting.

The firsr image is a cover cameo intended to go on a 11x11 Pictobook with a hot pink metal cover. If I don't submit an actual book, that image will be incorporated into a more suitable cover.

Is this visible enough to view on the forums? Is this suitable for comp? Anything to remove? Will it score well?

Thanks for your help. Also, thanks to Naomi for turning me onto this great way of posting albums on the forum - using the Contact Sheet function was her idea!

- trr

Todd_Reichman
01-28-2008, 05:52 PM
second batch:

( I removed the images and added links below - thanks!)

Todd_Reichman
01-28-2008, 05:53 PM
last ones (sorry!)


( I removed the images and added links below - thanks!)

D._Craig_Flory
01-28-2008, 07:36 PM
Hi Todd;

Could you do up this series in at least 8" across and post a link to the show ? I can't tell much from a thumbnail size.

Todd_Reichman
01-28-2008, 07:45 PM
I'd be happy to, Craig, but I'm not sure how to accomplish that. Any suggestions?

- trr

Todd_Reichman
01-28-2008, 07:56 PM
I've got a temporary solution - sorry about the hoops to jump through -

go to - http://www.reichmanphoto.com/index2a.php
Click on clients
type in - sample

Again, sorry about the hoops to jump through, If I can find a way to post within the forum or a 1 click solution, I'll post it.

thanks

- trr

D._Craig_Flory
01-28-2008, 08:06 PM
Hi Todd;

That's much better. Now if it were set up to see each page slowly ...

I like the overall feeling and variety. I think this a very good example of a modern style album. I hope others will post opinions ... expecially someone like Keith.

Todd_Reichman
01-28-2008, 08:11 PM
Thanks Craig,

I believe that there is a button to STOP SLIDESHOW, if you want to scroll through manually. What do you think - does this jive with what you may have seen at other album competitions? Would I be embarrassing myself and shaming my family name?

thanks for the help

- trr

D._Craig_Flory
01-28-2008, 08:21 PM
Hi Todd;

I think that you should at least get a red ribbon on it. In our state a red ribbon says "award of quality" on it. It is the "above average' range of scores from 76 to 79.

Todd_Reichman
01-29-2008, 03:07 PM
Thanks Craig - anything that I could adjust or remove to give it a better chance of meriting?

Anyone else want to take a few shots at this one?

Thanks!

-trr

Heather_L._Smith
01-29-2008, 03:26 PM
Todd -
This may have been intentional, but the spread on 10 is also used as the left side of pg 11. And, the right side (2 images coming down the aisle) of pg 11 is used again on the right side of pg 12. It also appears that the same image on pg 12 (kids coming down aisle) is used again on pg 15.

I love this book... I think it's beautiful. That being said, I don't know a stitch about album competition. My only advice would be to remove the duplicate images (even if they help tell the story) because if I noticed it, a judge certainly would.

Greg_Hawkins
01-29-2008, 03:31 PM
I really like the photos. Some spreads are a bit cluttered. I would take out the photos with the rollers in the bride's hair and PROBABLY spreads 7,10, 11, 12 and 29, and I would rethink spread 14 because it looks cluttered (can't see it well because of the small size). The second and third batch look good to me. Spreads 23, 28 and 31 don't work for me because of the b&w and color...sometimes this works sometimes it doesn't. Spread 23 should be the one photo alone IMO.

I think that the book could score well if you could just simplify the design and cut some stuff. Things that the bride and groom will want in their album sometimes should be cut in a comp album because it just clutters up the book. Everyone being escorted down the aisle may be important to the b&g but judges will tire of it IMO.

This is just MY OPINION....so take it with a grain of salt :-)

Greg

Todd_Reichman
01-29-2008, 06:02 PM
OOPS! Thanks for pointing that out, Heather. We had a copy of this album printed for a sample, and then made some changes for the bride's actual album. I tried to pull out the duplicate pages and it looks like I succeeded in adding more!

I've removed the offending pages and reposted on my site:

go to - http://www.reichmanphoto.com/index2a.php
Click on clients
type in - sample

Also, I wanted to thank Greg - that's exactly what I wanted to hear. I'll work on implementing some of your suggestions and post when the changes are up.

Any other comments welcome.

thanks

- trr

Rory_Schweighart
01-29-2008, 07:25 PM
Love the album nice work. not a comp person so not going to comment. great job though.

Jeff_Dachowski
01-30-2008, 03:59 AM
Todd,
First,
It is so cold here I can't even belive it!!!

Second,
Things to look for in album comp is obviously impact. Do the images have it??

WOuld any image ni the album merit on it's own?

Also consider the wb across the album. Are all of the images of the brides dress the same color, or are there some variations?

A rule of thumb that we try to follow is no more than 5 images per spread, unless there is a compelling reason to do so.

Jeff

btw, I photographed 4 wolves today!!!!

Keith_A_Howe
01-30-2008, 04:39 AM
What Jeff said!
Sounds like something I would have posted.
Keith

Rick_Massarini
01-30-2008, 04:52 AM
Todd,

btw, I photographed 4 wolves today!!!!

Tell us more...
Was it a family session?
Did they coordinate their outfits well?
Did the little ones behave themselves?
Did they bring any of their pets along?
Did they order more than an 8x10?
Did your eyelid freeze to the viewfinder??

Todd_Reichman
01-30-2008, 02:03 PM
Thanks for the insight,fellas.



Todd,
First,
It is so cold here I can't even belive it!!!

Second,
Things to look for in album comp is obviously impact. Do the images have it??

WOuld any image ni the album merit on it's own?

Also consider the wb across the album. Are all of the images of the brides dress the same color, or are there some variations?

A rule of thumb that we try to follow is no more than 5 images per spread, unless there is a compelling reason to do so.

Jeff

btw, I photographed 4 wolves today!!!!

Point taken,Jeff. I'll scrap this one and head back to the drawing board.

- trr

Jackie_Haggerty
01-30-2008, 02:10 PM
Todd,

Are you coming to Northern in Feb? It might be interesting to you to come and watch, its an all day print competition...

Todd_Reichman
01-30-2008, 06:32 PM
HI Jackie,

It looks like we are free the 13th, so we're considering the trip. I've tried to download the membership application, but the link seems to be broken. I submitted a contact form, so hopefully we'll hear back shortly.

I can't access the member area yet for competition info - got any insight into the rules? Is this an affiliate judging? The 1 page sheet on the competition seems to suggest up to 8 entries may be submitted - is that typical?

thanks

- trr

Jackie_Haggerty
01-30-2008, 07:26 PM
Todd,

The February meeting/competition is the biggest one for the year for Northern. The judges may not be affiliate jurors, but must be masters of photography and cannot be Northern members. Often the judges may be working toward their Affiliate juror designation.

You did read correctly, you can have up to 8 entries, including (2) folios and (2) album entries.

You can only enter if you are a member, not a guest. There is no additional fee to enter the competition other than the regular monthly meeting fee (and that only applies if you are going).

Jackie_Haggerty
01-30-2008, 07:35 PM
Todd,

One more thing- I look forward to meeting you!

Jeff_Dachowski
01-31-2008, 12:20 AM
Todd,
WHOA!!

I didn't say scrap it it at all. I am merely pointing out a couple of general rules. I thought at a quick glance the album looked at least close to the range you would like it in. I need you to look at the color, and the other points closely to see if it needs to be scrapped. But again, I don't think it needs to be scrapped, maybe refined.
Jeff

Todd_Reichman
01-31-2008, 12:59 AM
Thanks Jeff, I was assuming that you were nicely saying that the album was lacking impact, worthy images, had inconsistent WB and was too cluttered. Sorry to misunderstand! Believe me, I have no idea if what constitutes impact or what makes a merit-worhy image. I guess I'll go ahead and make some changes and see what the peanut gallery thinks.

"...at least close to the range you would like it in."

Is that the non-embarrassment range or possible merit range? :)

thanks!

- trr

Todd_Reichman
01-31-2008, 01:11 AM
Oh, and by the way Jackie - we'd love to meet up if you're going. I'm pretty sure that we've decided to go. I'd really like to have something to submit, but I'm not sure that I could get something together in time.

Just to clarify - this isn't an affiliate judging such that merited entires go directly to national, correct?

thanks

- trr