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Jane_Lydick_Staid
01-14-2008, 09:34 PM
Now that I have finished my Craftsman degree, I was curious to know the criteria and submission details for Master Artist. I saw some images hanging at IUSA that showed the work and original images and I was intrigued. Its always good to have new goals!

George_Hawkins
01-14-2008, 09:41 PM
Now that I have finished my Craftsman degree, I was curious to know the criteria and submission details for Master Artist. I saw some images hanging at IUSA that showed the work and original images and I was intrigued. Its always good to have new goals!

Don't quote me, but I think Dwight Okomoto once told me 13 more merit prints in the digital artist category.

Answers may be on site and link to PEC. Maybe email Joan Genest as she is on PEC, go direct to Helen Yancy.

George

Jeff_Dachowski
01-14-2008, 09:55 PM
Jane,
Ask Keith Howe as he is a Master Artist. Far as I know it involves witchcraft, and an elder race that occupies earth between the second and thrid dimensions. Keith should be able to help you with this.
Jeff

Edited to add that Cheri McCallum is also a Master Artist.

George_Hawkins
01-14-2008, 10:39 PM
From PPA .com

Master Artist (M.Artist) Awarded for superior photographic competence demonstrated through photographic competition, advanced education, and service to the profession. (25 merits: 13 Specialist merits, 12 Specialist or Service merits)

Master of Electronic Imaging (MEI) Awarded for superior photographic competence demonstrated through photographic competition, advanced education, and service to the profession. (25 merits: 13 Electronic Imaging merits, 12 EI or Service merits.

Jane_Lydick_Staid
01-14-2008, 10:45 PM
Thanks Jeff and George.

It's still pretty vague as to how to submit images specifically for that catagory. I already have enough print merits for a second masters and some of them were heavily manipulated.

Hopefully Keith will kick his two cents worth in.

George_Hawkins
01-14-2008, 11:03 PM
Maybe PPA print entry rules will help!
Maybe Steve B also at next meeting, since he judged.

Jeff_Dachowski
01-14-2008, 11:03 PM
Jane,
The Master Artist merits have to come from the art/tech competitions that are held concurrent with the portrait open compeititions. You will need to enter new prints for either category. The artist category is one that is intended for negative retouching, and on print manipulation among other skills. The MEI is designed for electonic manipulation.
Basically you will need to start over, of course your other 12 merits could be print merits or service merits. It is unlikely that the Master Artist Degree will be around for very long since virtually no one shoots film any more.
Jeff

Keith_A_Howe
01-14-2008, 11:53 PM
It's still pretty vague as to how to submit images specifically for that catagory. I already have enough print merits for a second masters and some of them were heavily manipulated.

Hopefully Keith will kick his two cents worth in.

Jane, was the manipulation done digital? or with traditional artwork? i.e. oils, pencils, dyes etc? The Master Artist degree was for that type of traditional artwork and unless those images were entered as art tech competition those are print merits not art tech merits. However this is all moot because the art tech competition is no longer accepting entries.

I would suggest you pursue the Master of Electronic Imaging. That degree is for electronic or digital artwork. You do not have to capture the original image, just do the artwork. If you have a print that merited in any other catergory ( portrait open, commercial, wedding etc) it cannot be resubmitted for judging in the EI catergory. So all those extra print merits ( if they haven't been used for your craftsmen degree extras) you have will apply to your 12 extra merits but they do not apply to your 13 required EI print merits. Clear as mud right?

Keith

Don_Chick
01-14-2008, 11:54 PM
From PPA .com

Master Artist (M.Artist) Awarded for superior photographic competence demonstrated through photographic competition, advanced education, and service to the profession. (25 merits: 13 Specialist merits, 12 Specialist or Service merits)

Master of Electronic Imaging (MEI) Awarded for superior photographic competence demonstrated through photographic competition, advanced education, and service to the profession. (25 merits: 13 Electronic Imaging merits, 12 EI or Service merits.

Those both sound the same to me.... Maybe merits can dual purpose? Come to think of it Photographic excellence is part of the Master degree too.... Confusion reigns!

Keith_A_Howe
01-15-2008, 12:09 AM
Maybe merits can dual purpose?

No they can't, it is/was two seperate competitions judged on seperate skills and seperate criteria. The descriptions you are reading are simply describing the degrees, not what competition the merits are earned from. But like I said it's a moot point, no more art tech entires will be accepted.

Keith

Drew_MacCallum
01-15-2008, 02:27 AM
Maybe Cheri can speak up here, she is Master Artist. She does judge the Art Tech entries at FL state convention.

I do believe there are specail requirements such as before and after prints for any traditional artwork (retouching, blending, etc) whether digital or traditional dye/brush. In the Art Tech category, it is judged by artists, not just photographers and you probably will not get away with using any filters like portraiture...they can see that a mile away.

Don_Chick
01-15-2008, 02:50 AM
No they can't, it is/was two seperate competitions judged on seperate skills and seperate criteria.
Keith

I know Keith!!! :D :D

Check the line in my signature that mentions not taking me seriously!!

Cheri_MacCallum
01-15-2008, 02:53 AM
Florida I know, and a few other states I think still have art/tech categories, but as I understand it ppa will no longer have the art/tech category because of the lack of interest since digital has dominated. Hopefully someone who is more up on it than me can chime in!

Jane_Lydick_Staid
01-15-2008, 11:35 AM
Thanks everyone for your input. Its still pretty vague to me!

I know I would have to start from scratch with the merits, I just wanted to start a new goal now that I have my Masters and Craftsman.

Don_Chick
01-15-2008, 12:41 PM
I just wanted to start a new goal now that I have my Masters and Craftsman.

Jane,

There's still the ASP-Fellow degree to work towards. ASP has a couple other one's too.

Jane_Lydick_Staid
01-15-2008, 07:56 PM
I was a member of ASP for a few years but decided my 99 bucks would be better spent elsewhere. Not that its not a great organization, but all I got was a thin magazine a few times a year.

Keith_A_Howe
01-15-2008, 09:48 PM
Jane
There is still the Master EI degree you can work toward.

Don Sorry I rarely read below the the signature.